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Topic: Why is Evolution at odds with Christianity?
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paul nicholson
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Message 15 of 56 (49331)
08-08-2003 5:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro 07-12-2003 2:23 AM
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Christianity and Evolution are at odds. Christianity says that God created the universe in 6 days. Not 6 million years. 6 days. Now when you look at the incredible complexity of life on our planet it is pretty o0bvious to me that a being of incredible intelligence must have created it. If you found a Swiss watch in the middle of the desert and someone asked you how it got there the answer would beSOMEONE MADE IT AND PUT IT THERE. It didnt evolve all by itself.Likewise with life on our planet. Now a God that intelligent ,infinitely intelligent could easily have created everything in 6 days. I only ask why he took so long. And yet evolution supposes that life came into being all by itself. The 2 just dont mix.To be a christian you have to believe what the Bible says about a literal 6 day creation. You cant pick and choose which parts you believe. Either it all stands as truth or it falls. Yes there are parts of the Bible which are written in a symbolic way. Yet there is nothing in the creation account to suggest it is symbolic. 6 days means 6 days and to me this is very easy to believe, much easier than the blind faith of believing in a mathematically impossible random evolution.You seem like a person of christian morals anyway but my friend you cant believe in both.
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paul nicholson
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Message 24 of 56 (49573)
08-09-2003 9:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Yaro 08-08-2003 2:10 PM
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Mr Yaro You said that "Evolution never said that God doesnt exist" But I think you would find it hard to find an Evolutionist who is a serious Christian. I mean a Bible believing Christian. Evolution has given man the perfect excuse not to believe in God because it has come up with an alternative explanation for life. If Evolution is true (which it isnt) then God didnt make the world in 6 days or didnt make the world at all so I can throw away my Bible.Perfect for someone who doesnt want to face their creator.But if the God of the Bible is true then what he says in the Bible must be true(all of it ...God isnt a liar) therefore the part about him creating the world in 6 days must be true also. This doesnt fit in with evolutions far fetched explanation of life. So if the Bible is true then Evolution is not. Thats how I see it.
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paul nicholson
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Message 25 of 56 (49575)
08-09-2003 10:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 22 by MrHambre 08-08-2003 1:10 PM
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Mr Hambre, I would like to give you another example of the probabilitry of random mutations actually occuring. Take the human skeleton. I read somewhere that we have about 200 bones. Sounds about right. What is the chance that just 10 of these bones would miraculously (sarcasm not intended) fall into place.Mathemeticians please help me. I think it would be 1 in 512 or a 50/50 cance for 2 bones ,a one in 4 chance for 3 bones etc. Keep going with this calculation for all 200 bones and you have an incredible figure. Or you could take a 200 piece jig saw puzzle and tip it on your lounge floor hoping that all the pieces would fall into place. You could keep doing this for a long time millions of years even and I cant imagine it happening. Now we havent talked about our muscular system or our heart and lungs and nervous system or our brain yet.All incredibly complex as any scientist will tell you. Maybe we should have 10 or more people all with 200 piece puzzles each representing one feature of the human body. They all tip the pieces out simultaneously and we wait for the day that all of the puzzles form correctly at the same time. You can safely say thet it will never happen. It would take only blind faith to believe that it could happen. And yet many people mock Christians for their blind faith. Who is believing the impossible?? Now come on evolution believers. You would have to have so many more 200 piece puzzles to represent all that we see in creation the plants and animals the laws of nature that make life possible. If a human body can evolve then why cant a swiss watch? I have a swiss watch at home which evolved from a tadpole. Do you believe me? of course you dont. That is so silly. How much more complex is a human body and yet you believe it could evolve????? Bye for now friends
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paul nicholson
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Message 32 of 56 (49898)
08-11-2003 8:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Dr Jack 08-09-2003 10:38 AM
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Mr Jack, I am sure your Mum as an ordained Priest would be a Bible believing Christian (of course I cannot decide who is a christian and who is not. Only God himself can judge such things.) As a Priest what would she do if the Bible didnt agree with Evolutionary theorys.? Would she question evolutionary ideas or would she question the Bible. Of course as a Priest her faith in the Word of God must be strong so she must question evolution. So may I ask ,with all due respect,does she, as a Priest believe that God created the world in 6 days as he said he did? Or does she try to fit evolution into her faith somehow?
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paul nicholson
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Message 34 of 56 (49900)
08-11-2003 8:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by John 08-09-2003 10:45 AM
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Hi John, So has man in his wisdom,ever created anything that reproduces itself again and again? Something that will evolve into something better? No Man would like to but cannot. Why? Because our intelligence is limited but Gods is not. Everything we create does the oppsite. Our cars get old, our houses need repairing. the law nature says that everything goes from order to disorder. Gods creation is so infinitely more complex than a swiss watch. You would never believe a swiss watch evolved but somehow you can believe that something so much more complex can evolve?? Strange.
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paul nicholson
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Message 36 of 56 (49902)
08-11-2003 9:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by mark24 08-09-2003 11:49 AM
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Hi Mark 24, You may not take my argument seriously but you will take God seriously when you face him one day.
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paul nicholson
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Message 41 of 56 (49910)
08-11-2003 9:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Data 08-11-2003 9:01 AM
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"Were you there when I made the world? If you know so much tell me about it.Who decided how large it would be? Who stretched the measuring line over it?Do you know all the answers? Who closed the gates to hold back the sea when it burst from the womb of the earth? It was I who covered the sea with clouds and wrapped it with darkness. I marked a boundary for the sea...... Have you ever in all your life commanded a day to dawn?..... Have you walked on the floor of the ocean? Has anyone ever shown you the gates that guard the dark world of the dead?.....Who makes rain fall where noone lives?...Can you guide the stars season by season? ...Can you8 shout orders to the clouds? Was it you who made horses so strong and gave them their flowing manes?...Does a hawk learn from you how to fly?...Does an eagle wait for your command to build its nest high in the mountains?? Job Chapter 38-39 You are a mere speck on this earth. Dont you fear God?
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