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Author Topic:   Why is Evolution at odds with Christianity?
John
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Message 27 of 56 (49577)
08-09-2003 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by paul nicholson
08-09-2003 10:00 AM


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What is the chance that just 10 of these bones would miraculously (sarcasm not intended) fall into place.
Very low, but this is a straw man. It is a misrepresentation, or more probably, a misunderstanding of the process. Organisms don't fall into place from a collection of random elements, yet this is what the argument implies. To claim so violates the blatantly obvious fact of pregnancy and childbirth. Babies don't condense out of a cloud of random elements. Babies are not formed randomly, just the opposite, hence any appeal to this kind of probability calculation is fundamentally flawed.
What are the chances that ten random letters would generate a word? Pretty low, yes? Ok. This is the scenario you propose. But you have left out inheritance and natural selection. The way evolution actually works is more like the following.
Generate thousands of random letter combinations, including spaces. Select those combinations that form a word. This is natural selection. In the wild, the 'words' chosen would be the ones that survive the environment-- weather, predators, in-laws... Now, generate more random letters and spaces and prepend/append them to the words already selected. This is heredity. It is important. No generation starts from scratch, except the first one-- our initially generated letter combinations. Most of the combinations you get will be nonsense. You may have had 'the' and you get 'thel' or 'sthe.' But you will also get 'they' and 'them.' Again select the combinations that form words. Do it again. And again. You will eventually get very long words.
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It would take only blind faith to believe that it could happen.
The way you present it, yes.
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If a human body can evolve then why cant a swiss watch?
Swiss watches don't make babies. Without reproduction there can be no evolution.
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I have a swiss watch at home which evolved from a tadpole. Do you believe me? of course you dont. That is so silly.
Yes. It is silly. Swiss watches don't reproduce themselves.
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John
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Message 30 of 56 (49643)
08-09-2003 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by mark24
08-09-2003 11:49 AM


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Paul N,
I would like to give you another example of the probabilitry of random mutations actually occuring.
The probability is 1. They occur.

LOL... I completely missed that!
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Message 44 of 56 (49943)
08-11-2003 11:45 AM
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08-11-2003 10:29 AM


hmmm... what's a PRATT?
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