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mark24
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Message 41 of 61 (50206)
08-12-2003 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by joshua221
08-12-2003 4:33 PM


prophecyexclaimed,
Ever here of the Flood?
So why do rock units experience multiple age gaps? This couldn't occur under a global flood scenario. How does the flood explain the areas of the world where the main ten era's are present, yet your own cite explains to you that there are gaps both in & between them?
One big gap, that was evident glabally, would be excellent evidence of a flood, it just doesn't exist, though.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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mark24
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Message 47 of 61 (50229)
08-12-2003 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by joshua221
08-12-2003 4:53 PM


Re: .
prophecyexclaimed,
Please explain multiple age gaps? Seriously I have not the slightest idea of what that means.
Then please pay attention to your own argument. Your own cite alludes to where sites display all stratigraphic units of the geologic column, & that they are not continuous, but show gaps. Since the units represent large periods of time, & a lot is missing from each unit, then by definition there are "many" large time gaps that are not represented by periods of deposition.
You are asserting that the gaps in the geologic column are due to the flood. They can't be because a global flood would create a single erosional gap in the geologic column. This is not observed, instead there are multiple gaps in otherwise continuously deposited strata. This is consistent with periods of deposition interupted by periods of erosion. These deposits generally come with their own flora & fauna , quite often flipping between terrestrial & marine environments, which is in it's turn consistent with an old earth & evolution, not special creation & a global flood.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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mark24
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Message 50 of 61 (50235)
08-12-2003 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by joshua221
08-12-2003 4:50 PM


Re: .
prophecyexclaimed,
Also, I assume logically thinking here that the humans being smart would swim to the top of the flood waters trying to stay alive, the animals who can't swim like dinosaurs (just the weight of some land dinosaurs makes that problem), or smaller animals that can't do much of anything would be at the bottom. This is just what I think would have happened if you think the Flood occured then this theory is logical.
So why do we find sessile molluscs in similar aged sediments as humans? Brachiopods? They both have shells & should plummet straight to the bottom. They can't up sticks & run. Why do we find small animals in the same aged deposits as Hominids? Bacteria should be the last organisms to drop out of suspension, yet are found first! The "small" animals you mention are found from the Permian to THE PRESENT!
If you think Dinosauria & small animals are at the bottom of the geologic column, think again. The earliest life appeared in sediments ~3.5 billion years ago, the earliest Dinosaurs appeared in the late Triassic, about 220 million years ago. In fact, multicellular life didn't become diverse until the Cambrian, 543 million years ago. That is, 5/6ths of the geologic column saw little other than single celled, & simple multicellular organisms, whilst true complex animal body plans appeared relatively recently in the last 6th, aren't most of them supposed to be at the bottom?. According to you the Precambrian should be teeming with complex life, yet it isn't.
You are falsified on two counts. Organisms that should be at the bottom aren't, organisms that shouldn't be at the top, are.
I'd like to go into more detail with more examples, but am a little stretched for time. Trust me, the situation gets even more ridiculous when we start looking at the plant fossils. They can't run anywhere, yet display the same pattern of appearance, extinction, & radiation as animals. Fully consistent with an old earth & evolution, in direct contradiction of a biblical flood.
[added by edit] If you click on my avatar, you'll get a full ,sized image of another "small" animal, Acanthostega gunnari, one that lived in the late Devonian, ~350 mya, it could swim, obviously, represents a transition between fish & tetrapods, yet according to you should be contemporaneous with Hominid fossils found much higher in the geologic column. Why isn't it?
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."
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mark24
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Message 55 of 61 (50506)
08-14-2003 5:15 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by joshua221
08-14-2003 1:28 AM


Hi Prophecy,
Message 50, please.
Mark

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