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Author Topic:   Is belief in God or the Bible necessary to believe in a massive flood.
bluescat48
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Message 6 of 110 (508797)
05-16-2009 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by slevesque
05-16-2009 3:13 AM


in a word no. All it takes is one accepting that some supernatural entity can do such things. The Bible is not the only source as per the Gilgamesh epic. Flood stories come from many areas of the earth. The major point is the context of the stories and why they were written. The Biblical account is one such story. One must understand that when these stories were compiled, humans had very little knowledge of what the earth was, what caused rain, what caused a flood etc.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 13 of 110 (508881)
05-17-2009 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by slevesque
05-17-2009 1:36 AM


slevesque writes:
So I know first-hand that their are accounts of a flood with stricking similarities with the biblical one in cultures in which there is no way they could have been influenced by middle-eastern culture.
One point neither since the Cree nor the Cherokee spoke either English or French, then these myths had to be translated and translated by Christians who would try to convert the native peoples to Christianity.
The most likely case was the added parts about the boat, animals and selected humans were most likely added to the translations.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 30 of 110 (508931)
05-17-2009 9:46 AM
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05-17-2009 2:36 AM


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An even more likely explanation is that oral traditions are very flexible and able to change very rapidly -- like, within a generation or two -- when exposed to new information.
Which is a logical scheme for virtually any group of people, particularly when spread by word of mouth.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 59 of 110 (509400)
05-21-2009 7:53 AM
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05-21-2009 7:40 AM


Peg writes:
all this points to a real history as opposed to a mythical story.
In reality it just points to the story being based on historical events similar to such writings as the Illiad or Gone With the Wind, mythological stories set in a historical context.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 70 of 110 (509459)
05-21-2009 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Peg
05-21-2009 10:40 PM


Peg writes:
perhaps i could word it differently...Why is it appropriate for science to use dating as a basis of evidence but we cant use dating as a bases for evidence of the age of manuscripts?
The dating would be fine if one had the original manuscripts. Show me the the original manuscript of the book of Genesis.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 75 of 110 (509492)
05-22-2009 7:17 AM
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05-21-2009 11:26 PM


The point is dating a manuscript doesn't necessarily show that it is the original. ie: Finding a copy of Genesis that it dated at 450BCE would most likely not be an original whereas one dated ~900 BCE could be.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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