Is belief in God or the Bible necessary to believe in a massive flood.

What do you mean by massive? Total world? Regional? Black Sea? Nile valley and delta? Tigris and Euphrates?There has to be an area to be flooded and a source of water. The known flood events(last three above) have an area to be flooded(flood plain for the rivers, plains lower than Mediterranean for the Black Sea event)and a source of water.

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This idea first came to me when reports started coming out a couple of years ago that such a major (almost planetwide) event may had happened on Mars.

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I think this is a misinterpretation of the data. I have never seen anything about a planet wide "event" that flooded Mars.There are reports like this. and there is getting to be evidence there was massive amounts of water(oceans?) on Mars. But a "flood event"? Love to see evidence of this. Oh yes I have read the purported "evidence" on the fundie, christianists sites, but that isn't scientific evidence is it.If anyone has evidence of a worldwide flood on Mars I would love to read it.

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BTW, who wrote it if it is not Moses ?

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Do you truly believe it was written down by one identifiable person? Isn't it more likely that it is a collection of legends and myths later collected and written by unnamed scribes? How could a person write about events that happened after their supposed death. Moses was probably a figure of legend and myth not an actual historic figure.

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My fahter went to Israel with Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, who is one of the greatest scholar alive today. I think he knows a thing or two about jewish history and their transcription methods ...

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Name dropping will get you no where. I have studied with Professor Anson Rainey in Israel. Big whoop dee doo.To make these claimd about Fruchtenbaum seems quite ridiculous.

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one of the greatests scholars alive today"

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What a joke! WikiHe is a jew for jesus and a theologist. Nothing more. Certainly not one of the greatest scholars alive today.

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An Egyptian historian, Ahmed Behgat, has published a book charging that "during the Exodus ancient Israelites smuggled gold out of Egypt and used it to make the golden calf." His research into ancient Egyptian archives has led him to conclude that Israel should pay Egypt $40 billion.

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Any chance on a source for this? There is nothing, absolutely nothing on the net about this guy. I tried every trick I know and could not find anything at all about this guy or this claim. All google comes up with is your post. So sure would love to find out more about this supposed book.

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I am still wondering if you can explain what Fruchtenbaum has anything to do with anything. You paint him as a great expert on jewish history and transcription. Why do you have this belief? Nothing in his academic history shows he is a great expert. According to his websiteBut he does not have a degree in any of this. His B.A. is in Hebrew and Greek. It takes much more than a BA to be considered an expert in a subject. His MA is in Theology. Yes he does have a PH.D. and it is funny he doesnt state what the PH.D course of study is.It does say this This sure makes it seem like his PH.D. was in a subject like history, Israel or hebrew studies or something similar. Not it isn't.According to NYU "Dr. Fruchtenbaum's concentration was Pastors, Missionaries & Other Religious Leaders in Churches, Schls & Denominations."So again I need to ask, why are you holding him up as some great expert on the subject? I know he has a number of books. Notice how all the books are published by his own organization. I would think if his arguments were compelling and well thought of he would not have to self-publish.

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I said he was one of the greatest scholars alive. Obviously, it is a very subjective thing. How do you compare scholars ? I surely don't know. It was my personnal opinion on him. You may disagree.

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I do wholeheartedly. The issue is you reference him as a renowned expert. You may think he is, but there is nothing academically that shows he is. Just because someone talks about and writes about a subject does not make them experts. For example, Ben Stein and evolution. The social sciences, like the physical sciences, have peer reviewed journals. Also, there are many reputable publishing houses. Can you show any evidence he has been published in journals or had any book published other by his own ministry?

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Besides, I didn't say he was an expert on jewish transcription method. I said ''he must know a thing or two'' if I recall correctly.

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This is disingenuous at best. Your original statement. Come on. Who are you trying to fool? You present him as an expert then when questioned about it you backpedal and say you meant something else.As Percy has stated before, maybe you should stick with one thread at a time. Your arguments are continually destroyed and then you change and backpedal. All I want is an honest discussion, but when you paint someone like Fruchtenbaum, who very few people seem to have heard of, as an expert, I am going to demand evidence showing he is an expert.

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Nonetheless I would think he knows just about everything about jewish history, including their transcription method. Even though he may not have any official study on this. He came three times where I live, and all he does is read,read,read and translate,translate,translate. He must sleep like 2 hours a day.

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Means nothing. What you think and believe has no bearing on this. Show evidence he is an expert .

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