YEC without the bible, possible?

really? older than 4.5 billion years?why?I mean, the bible says "6 days", and the literalists have worked their way back from supposed ages of the people in it and given us ~6000 years.Why on Earth would you ignore the "evidence" they have, and ignore the real evidence than scientists have for saying billions of years as well?So why, and how old to you think it is?Edited by greyseal, : No reason given.

"because" isn't an answer. That's a child's answer.I asked you not just why older than 6 days, but why older than 4.5 billion years. I'm reasonably sure I wanted to know how old, and the reasoning behind it - at least from somebody who is a master of context (as all bible readers obviously are) you should have picked up on that.I know why the bible bashers say 6000 years - because they can trace how old people in the bible were and can trace certain historical events that are presumed to be accurately placeable to our timeframe - that puts the earth at about a week older than adam when he died so YES they can go back to genesis 1:1 with a reasonable amount of certainty (it doesn't say "in the beginning was god, and he was really pretty lazy so did nothing for eighteen trillion years" so they can assume he went more or less straight to work).I know why the scientists say 4.5 billion years (dating of rocks, age of the sun, age of the universe - a hell of a lot of calculations I don't understand).And you?You say "it's older than that because I say so".Uh, yeah - I'd take even the bible's estimate over yours at this point - you either disagree that god made the earth (note the lack of capitol letter) or disagree on how long it took for god to stop lollygagging and create everything else on, under or in it.Without, I add, any sort of justification.So, again, why?

forgive me, again, but your position seems to be:

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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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To which you reply: Now, weaselling around the word "day" by calling it a "light period" isn't very compelling.what's even less compelling is still why one "light period" (which isn't defined, anywhere by anyone) equates to a definite period of time which is apparently "longer than 4 billion years" according to the post I was responding to.As I said - the bible has it's chronology which gives us about 6000 years old for everything.Science gives us about 12 billion years for everything.Both of these two, at least, have their reasons.Your reasoning seems to be "because I said so" which, I'm sorry, is even less compelling than the bible (which doesn't stand up when taken literally in light of the facts, unless you call Last Thursday-ism).Rather than re-stating, I think I'd be happy if you stated even once.