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roxrkool
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Message 61 of 152 (529497)
10-09-2009 3:58 PM
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10-09-2009 3:47 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Not to mention ironic!

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Aspevik
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Message 62 of 152 (529529)
10-09-2009 6:00 PM
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10-09-2009 3:43 PM


Re: An Initial Question
quote:
Okay, let's take Grasberg, the largest single concentration of gold on the planet. On the surface, it looks like it belongs in your target area. The only problem is that this target are didn't exist in Ediacaran times, when your meteorite struck the earth.
The deposit is approximately 3my old and the oldest sedimentary rocks nearby are Eocene, which makes them 34 to 56my old. Now that's only half a billion years after your meteorite impact. Please explain the discrepancy.
Yes, I think I can explain that. The scientist claims that we find a lot of liquid gold near the middle of the Earth. If "somthing" was pressed through the crust and near the Eart`s middle, the gold would have been pressed up to the surface on the crust. It have to been pressed through the softer parts of the plates which has a consistency as "pasta". It`s like butter in the porridge if we can use that description.
This mass have not solidified yet, but when this mass come to top a part of this goldvein follow this mass to top from the middle of the Eart. Not all the veins came to the top of the crust when the continents breaked up, but this gold stocks in this "pasta" before it became a part of the crust.

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Aspevik
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Message 63 of 152 (529536)
10-09-2009 6:08 PM
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10-09-2009 3:47 PM


Re: An Initial Question
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Hey, Rox,
It's kind of interesting how Helge complains that geologists don't listen to him. Sounds to me like a case of 'what goes around comes around.' A major case of projection here.
:-)
Maybe here in these forums, but not in my e-mail ;-) I think people who agree with me never dare to write here in public, for some mysterious reason! And I understand them if they don`t dare at all.

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Aspevik
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Message 64 of 152 (529568)
10-09-2009 6:41 PM
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10-09-2009 6:08 PM


Re: An Initial Question
But, I would ask for some help here. Do anybody know a website who shows the location of resources as coal, copper, etc. in North and South-America?

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edge
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Message 65 of 152 (529579)
10-09-2009 7:27 PM
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10-09-2009 6:00 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Yes, I think I can explain that. The scientist claims that we find a lot of liquid gold near the middle of the Earth.
They do? Please document. Then explain why 'scientists' are right about this but so wrong about things we can actually see a the surface of the earth.
If "somthing" was pressed through the crust and near the Eart`s middle, the gold would have been pressed up to the surface on the crust. It have to been pressed through the softer parts of the plates which has a consistency as "pasta". It`s like butter in the porridge if we can use that description.
This mass have not solidified yet, but when this mass come to top a part of this goldvein follow this mass to top from the middle of the Eart. Not all the veins came to the top of the crust when the continents breaked up, but this gold stocks in this "pasta" before it became a part of the crust.
Okay, then show us where the gold 'waited' before it came to the surface. This would be a good place to provide some evidence.
In the meantime, if the gold is so heavy, why did it continue its upward journey? Why do we find gold in extensional tectonic regimes? How was the gold transported? And why does it occur with lighter and more volatile elements?
Helge, I'm losing my patience here.

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edge
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Message 66 of 152 (529581)
10-09-2009 7:30 PM
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10-09-2009 6:08 PM


Re: An Initial Question
I don't think you understood...
I'm not talking about anyone else. I'm talking about you complaining so strongly about something that you are so good at.

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roxrkool
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Message 67 of 152 (529587)
10-09-2009 7:45 PM
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10-09-2009 6:41 PM


Re: An Initial Question
May I assume you recognized your mistake with respect to the gold deposit data?
The USGS as well as the British Columbia Geological Survey have some good data regarding global ore deposits. I'm just not sure how useful you will find it without ArcMap.

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roxrkool
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Message 68 of 152 (529589)
10-09-2009 7:48 PM
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10-09-2009 6:00 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Geez, can you imagine finding those gold veins? I would imagine they'd be immense and possibly worth the exploration costs.
How deep are these veins and what is the evidence for their existence?

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Aspevik
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Message 69 of 152 (529690)
10-10-2009 5:22 AM
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10-09-2009 7:27 PM


Re: An Initial Question
They do? Please document. Then explain why 'scientists' are right about this but so wrong about things we can actually see a the surface of the earth.
The two processes, gravitational differentiation and chemical fractionation, work in tandem -- lighterweight minerals with oxygen and silicon rise to the surface to form the crust and upper mantle, whereas the heavier minerals and the substances which do not bond with silicon or oxygen (such as gold, platinum, and others, including heavy radioactive heat sources) mostly sink to the core. Then chemical fractionation further occurs among the localized materials.
You find the article here
Okay, then show us where the gold 'waited' before it came to the surface. This would be a good place to provide some evidence
It`s just to use tour brain a little. As you se in the article over here there is a lot of gold inside the mantle. There is the gold liquid. And if a meteor hit the earth and went into the mantle, this new mass would have pressed upp the liquid mass as metals and so on.
This liquid mass will find the easiest way away from the pessure this meteor makes and that would be the cracks this meteor makes on the way into the mantle.
Some place between the Earth's crust and the mantle this liquid gold would solidifies. Ant if the gold have to come up to the top from the mantle, there must have been a way up also. I called this a vein and I think these veins was filled with mass from the mantle when the metor penetraded into the mantle to give room for the new mass from out of space.
Helge, I'm losing my patience here.
No one forcing you to read these posts at all.
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Aspevik
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Message 70 of 152 (529694)
10-10-2009 5:27 AM
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10-09-2009 7:45 PM


Re: An Initial Question
The USGS as well as the British Columbia Geological Survey have some good data regarding global ore deposits. I'm just not sure how useful you will find it without ArcMap.
Thank you a lot!

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edge
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Message 71 of 152 (529746)
10-10-2009 10:42 AM
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10-10-2009 5:22 AM


Re: An Initial Question
You seem to know a lot about lower mantle processes. Where do you get this information? The link you provided is apparently from a fringe pseudoscience group, but I can't mine any further into the data. Do you have any scientific literature to support the lower mantle source of gold and its deposition from a liquid state?

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Aspevik
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Message 72 of 152 (529761)
10-10-2009 11:35 AM
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10-10-2009 10:42 AM


Re: An Initial Question
You seem to know a lot about lower mantle processes. Where do you get this information? The link you provided is apparently from a fringe pseudoscience group, but I can't mine any further into the data. Do you have any scientific literature to support the lower mantle source of gold and its deposition from a liquid state?
I don`t have all my papers here at home, but this stuff is well known. I have read a lot of articles about this the last 20 year in many serious magazine as New Scientist and so one. I just took the first explanation i found on net.
So I think I have coverage for my claims here about the gold on my site here: http://www.aspevik.net/extra.htm
But... I belived you was a geolog??? Maybe I can help you a little to get you updated with your work. ;-)
Here is one article made for Science Online:
You find the article here: Researcher calculates gold within Earth's core
Researcher calculates gold within Earth's core
By Stephen Pincock for Science Online
An Australian researcher says there is enough gold buried deep within the Earth's core to cover the entire land surface of the planet to a depth of half a metre.
Macquarie University geologist Professor Bernard Wood made his calculations based on research published in today's issue of journal Nature.
Professor Wood and his colleagues have charted the early history of Earth's development, starting with the birth of the solar system more than 4.5 billion years ago and focusing on the formation of Earth's molten metal core.
"By looking at other stars that are currently at the state our sun was in then, we can see that they are surrounded by a flattened disc of dust and gas," Professor Wood said.
"We know that within about 10,000 years, these formed into small bodies that were about 10 kilometres across."
Radioactive dating has shown that over the next 100,000 to one million years, those small "planetesimals" collided to form planetary embryos of a size between that of Mars and the moon.
Within 10 million to 100 million years, larger planets had formed.
"In the case of Earth, it was around 30 million years," Professor Wood said.
'Magma ocean'
Professor Wood says the Earth was probably covered in a sea of molten rock, hundreds of kilometres deep, early in its history.
He says this "magma ocean" reacted with metals during the planet's development, extracting many of the most important and interesting elements, including gold, and eventually depositing them in the Earth's own iron-rich core.
To calculate how much gold was in the Earth's core, Professor Wood compared the composition of the Earth's crust with that of meteorites, which can be used to represent planetesimals.
He and other researchers have found that the meteorites had similar levels of all elements that would not normally dissolve in iron.
But they also noted that meteorites had higher levels of elements such as gold, platinum and nickel.
"This tells us that the Earth is chemically very similar to those meteorites but the Earth's crust is depleted in all those elements that like to dissolve in iron," Professor Wood said.
He says there is only one place those elements can have gone - the molten core.
"We can say that more than 99 per cent of the Earth's gold is in the core," he said.
"It's a nice image to think we could all step outside and be knee-deep in the stuff."
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Aspevik
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Message 73 of 152 (529764)
10-10-2009 11:48 AM
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10-10-2009 10:42 AM


Re: An Initial Question
And if you need more to read, here is one another article :
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/sep/innerfortknox
Earth's Inner Fort Knox
Searching for a pot of gold? Try the center of the Earth.
by Anne Wootton
From the September 2006 issue, published online September 1, 2006
More than 99 percent of Earth's gold is missingit all sank to the center of the planet billions of years ago. In fact, says geologist Bernard Wood of Macquarie University in Australia, there's enough gold in Earth's core to coat its surface in 1.5 feet of the stuff. How did it get there?
Earth formed from a series of smaller planetesimals that crashed together over the course of 30 million to 40 million years. Wood deduced how much gold ought to be present in Earth's crust by comparing the crust's composition to that of meteorites similar to the planetesimals. He concluded that the crust was depleted of gold, platinum, and nickel and suggests that all these iron-loving elements were pulled into Earth's iron-rich core while its surface was still an ocean of molten magma.
In fact, if meteorites hadn't later deposited gold on Earth's surface millions of years after its core had fully formed and its crust had cooled, gold would be even more rare and expensive than it is today. Wood has calculated that 1.6 quadrillion tons of gold must lie in Earth's core. This may sound like a lot, but it is really only a tiny percentage of the core's overall massabout one part per million. The core holds six times as much platinum, Wood notes, "but people get less excited about that than gold."

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edge
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Message 74 of 152 (529766)
10-10-2009 12:03 PM
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10-10-2009 11:35 AM


Re: An Initial Question
A couple of things.
First of all, now you are talking about the core of the earth when before it was the mantle. The article says nothing about gold accumulations in the mantle.
Second, you article explains one possible reason why there is still gold in the crust and it has nothing to do with liquid gold spurting up through the mantle and into the crust.
Third, there are many arguments like this. Yes there would be a lot of gold in the core, but it is dispersed in a way that makes it inaccessible. Note that the tenor of the gold in the core is thought to be about one gram per ton of core material. This is of a lower grade than most historical gold production from the crust.
The point being that your expertise on gold deposits leaves a lot to be desired.

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Aspevik
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Message 75 of 152 (529769)
10-10-2009 12:10 PM
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10-10-2009 12:03 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Have you read both articles?

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