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Author Topic:   Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible?
ochaye
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Message 254 of 352 (535316)
11-14-2009 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Blue Jay
11-14-2009 5:06 PM


Re: Contradiction 5: Means of Salvation
quote:
Answer: God.
'You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that and shudder.' Jas 2:19 NIV
quote:
Now, would you like an intelligent answer?
Surely Mormon teachers can do better than 'God'.

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Message 259 of 352 (535370)
11-15-2009 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by ICANT
11-15-2009 12:09 AM


Re: What must I do ? BELIEVE
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All anyone has to do is to accept the offer.
Come on, that smacks of a patronising attitude, a means tested hand-out. People have dignity, and don't need charity, thank you. We will get what we want and deserve without any help.

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Message 261 of 352 (535398)
11-15-2009 4:13 PM
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11-15-2009 3:59 PM


Re: What must I do ? BELIEVE
Do you have an up to date Bible? I don't get all these funny words.

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Message 266 of 352 (535430)
11-15-2009 10:40 PM
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11-15-2009 9:12 PM


Re: What must I do ? BELIEVE
You can't force morons to answer.

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Message 269 of 352 (535481)
11-16-2009 8:45 AM
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08-26-2009 3:59 PM


The rest of the world gazes in awe, speechless, at the folly of the USA. But possibly the most eye-wiping characteristic of Americans is their ability to stoutly resist the doctrine of justification by faith, while doing so in such a manner as to demonstrate that they have not the smallest hope of being justified by personal works.

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Message 271 of 352 (535488)
11-16-2009 9:38 AM
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11-16-2009 9:32 AM


Re: What must I do ? BELIEVE
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God very clearly states that a man's salvation is contingent on something that that man does.
What does man do to get God's salvation?

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Message 274 of 352 (535496)
11-16-2009 10:53 AM
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11-16-2009 10:36 AM


Re: What must I do ? BELIEVE
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This primary salvation isn't contingent on a mans work I take it?
It is so contingent. Mormons say:
'We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'
The gospel is that there are now no laws and ordinances.
Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.

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Message 276 of 352 (535506)
11-16-2009 12:05 PM
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11-16-2009 11:54 AM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
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The Mother of All Mortal Sins you mean
Aha!
What's the difference between a Mormon, a Calvinist and a Catholic? I can't think of one.
No wonder you came back, blue jay!

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ochaye
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Message 278 of 352 (535509)
11-16-2009 12:13 PM
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11-16-2009 12:08 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
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The Calvinist not at all.
They do. They just say they don't.
Good at talking, Calvinists. Reams of it!

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ochaye
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Message 280 of 352 (535512)
11-16-2009 12:38 PM
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11-16-2009 12:20 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
What people don't cotton onto about Calvinists is that they are not necessarily Christians. Even if their (horrible) theology is correct, it proves nothing about them. Their works are Puritan- formal dressing, sabbath-keeping, water baptism and the like. A toned-down, literally a reformed Catholicism. They are unconverted, and fear taking a decision for Christ above everything.

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ochaye
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Message 282 of 352 (535517)
11-16-2009 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by iano
11-16-2009 12:50 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
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The same could be said of people from all denominations.
There are very few people who would say that X, and Y, are not evangelical Christians (substitute names of any two well-known Calvinist preachers for X and Y). Try it, and see what happens.
quote:
in the main they seem alright
Wow. You've been lucky. They do nothing but lie, evade and get personal when they are cornered, in my experience. Just like Catholics and you know who.
quote:
Why, why, you... unreformed Roman Catholic you..
There you are, you see. We've both heard that before.

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ochaye
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Message 285 of 352 (535525)
11-16-2009 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Blue Jay
11-16-2009 2:40 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
quote:
Jesus seems to be clearly stating that obedience to the commandments plays a role in one's salvation.
Played.

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ochaye
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Message 289 of 352 (535538)
11-16-2009 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by iano
11-16-2009 3:23 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
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My point was that ..there are non-Christians in all demoninations
We know what your point was. The fact that you have completely ignored the 'solution' to it tends to indicate that you understand that solution, but don't much like it. If that is incorrect, deal with what I wrote in reply.

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ochaye
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Message 292 of 352 (535576)
11-16-2009 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Blue Jay
11-16-2009 7:23 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
But you haven't admitted that Matthew 19:16-17 is an anachronism.
Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.

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ochaye
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Message 294 of 352 (535589)
11-16-2009 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Blue Jay
11-16-2009 7:46 PM


Re: What must I do ? Impossible!
quote:
How come works were appropriate before the Atonement, but not after?
Because the atonement made works for justification redundant. Why was there atonement, if works were adequate?

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