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Author Topic:   Has natural selection really been tested and verified?
Son
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Message 65 of 302 (536623)
11-24-2009 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Bolder-dash
11-24-2009 9:06 AM


I can't find the quote you used there, it doesn't seem to be from the message you responded to.
You also ignored his revelant answer:
DrAdequate writes:
There are two aspects to evolution --- variation and selection. These are distinct in much the same way that the engine of a car is distinct from its steering wheel.
Do I need to remind that you were the one who asked about natural selection?
Sticking to the subject helps focusing on the discussion and prevents Gish gallop. If you wish to discuss either mutation or Evolution as a whole, you need to make another thread.
Looking back at the OP I see that you made a confusion about evolution and natural selection but I thought RAZD pointed it out:
RAZD writes:
Natural selection is only part of the process of evolution, the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - other major contributors are mutation and genetic drift. Mutation provides new variations to the mix of hereditary traits that are then susceptible to the action of natural selection, and genetic drift is where stochastic effects (natural disasters etc) change the population that is then left for evolution by mutation and natural selection.
That was in answer to your first post. I personally think that the admins should have corrected you so you could modify your OP accordingly to avoid future confusions. But since I'm not very experimented with forums....

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Son
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Message 69 of 302 (536668)
11-24-2009 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Bolder-dash
11-24-2009 11:34 AM


Looking back, I don't know how I missed the thing you quoted, sorry for that.
The problem is that in the OP, you asked if natural selection was tested when I think you meant evolution as a whole, I thought I already pointed it to you.
To remind you: the title of your thread is :"Has natural selection really been tested and verified?"
I suppose we could debate as if you meant evolution from the start though, maybe it would make things clearer?
By the way you did a confusion in your post again, natural selection can happen without mutation, it's evolution that wouldn't happen without mutations.
Bolder-dash writes:
So unless you wish to propose another theory about how natural selection works without the need for random mutations-bring that theory up or how about stop your whining. What are you so afraid of discussing. I will be happy to hear about a new theory of evolution that doesn't need mutations!
Here you interchanged natural selection and the theory of evolution as if they were the same thing. I suppose it's the source of most of this thread's confusion.

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