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Author Topic:   Has natural selection really been tested and verified?
Shtop
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Message 64 of 302 (536619)
11-24-2009 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Bolder-dash
11-24-2009 9:06 AM


Have we met?
I have the distinct feeling that I know you. Your posting style is very familiar.
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Shtop
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Message 79 of 302 (536845)
11-25-2009 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Bolder-dash
11-25-2009 10:16 AM


Now, since many of you don't believe this topic has anything to do with mutations, I am curious to know how natural selection or genetic drift create EVOLUTIONARY CHANGE? Please elaborate. I challenge you to do so without talking about mutations. Seeing as how natural selection and genetic drift create no new information at all, and on their own say absolutely nothing other than some organisms die before they can reproduce.
Easy.
1. Individuals pass their characteristics on to their offspring.
2. Individuals that have characteristics that aid them will be more succesful in their environment than individuals that do not have such characteristics. This is natural selection.
3. Individuals that are more successful will tend to have more offspring.
4. Over time, individuals that have characteristics that aid them will increase in number faster than individuals that do not have such characteristics. This is evolutionairy change.

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Shtop
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Message 87 of 302 (536892)
11-25-2009 2:32 PM
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11-25-2009 11:42 AM


Sorry, but where is the change you are talking about?
Under your scenario you still have the same characteristics you started with. Just less or more of them.
Indeed. Less or more characteristics means not the same amount as before, in other words, there has been a change.
Did you notice how I never said anything about how the characteristics arose? Could have been by mutation, or recombination, or genetic drift, or god's almighty powers at work. It really doesn't matter. As long as they are there, natural selection will act upon them.
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Shtop
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Message 90 of 302 (536911)
11-25-2009 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Wounded King
11-25-2009 2:41 PM


Re: Why yes, pedantic IS my middle name.
Thanks for the correction. I'm no expert, just an interested layman. I must say it made me snigger that you object to genetic drift but not to goddidit =)
Point remains: the source of the variation doesn't matter.
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