At what point should we look for a non-materialistic explanation?

The problem is that whatever the magnitude of the claims the magnitude of the evidence actually produced is close to zero.We have coral formations that look as if they might contain wheels. If they do contain wheels they are almsot certainly far too young and made of the wrong materials to have anything to do with the Exodus.We have photographs of what is claimed to be a gold covered chariot wheel, showing no signs of coral growth at all. Or any other indication of age.None of these photos even includes a scale.We also have a whole load of complete rubbish attempting to rewrite the history of the XVIIIth Dynasty that doesn't even fit the evidence.Contrary to your beliefs, archaeologists are not likely to rush to investigate the wild claims of incompetent amateurs without any real evidence.

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Hi Paul. Not so. There's the Biblical record which states that Mt Sinai is in Arabia. This motivated Wyatt and others to research the region and likely path of the Exodus.

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Wyatt misunderstanding the Bible is not evidence that he is in any way correct !

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Without going into all of the pertinent details as to the change of route which Jehovah ordered, the do-able path to the region in question led to Nuweiba Beach which entrapped the Israelites on all sides by mountains.

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Since the actual evidence indicates that the story is much exaggerated (at the very least !) even if what you said were true it would not be significant evidence.

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The beach happened to be at the most shallow area of the entire sea, then known as the Red Sea including the Gulf of Aqaba.

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Which is not much shallower than the rest of it...

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The wheel and axle shaped formations happened to be the only such formations known in the Gulf region.

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These formations were photographed on both sides of the shallow area, most being wheel shape. The researchers were marine scientists who had research craft and equipment to do professional work.

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Even if it is true that they are found nowhere else (and that has not been verified) it is still not significant evidence of the Exodus.

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On the Arabian side other pertinent corroborating evidence was discovered, being a split rock as per scripture, having a dried up water flow protruding from it. Also a black topped mountain (not volcanic) having the appearance of being burnt as per scripture.

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Other evidence such as inscriptions of bulls and columns which could have been related to the Exodus, etc were cited.

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In other words, nothing much, only weak circumstantial evidence.

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Bottom line: No, Paul; there's ample evidence to warrant research by such secularist entities such as the National Geographic Society, etc. Interestingly and apparantly, Nat'l Geographic amd their Robert Ballard, marine archeologist appear to have no interest in researching this significant discovery so as to either falsify or verify.

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If you have ample evidence where is it ? You certainly haven't produced it.

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Paul, this is a baseless assertion which was never verified conclusively in the debates.

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It is certainly not baseless. The wheels of the XVIIIth dynasty chariots were wood with some bronze and NO iron. The coral formations were said to show signs of rust - by Wyatt supporters !
All the evidence on coral growth rates tells us that we do not need more than a few hundred years for the coral growth shown.If the best you can honestly argue is that the evidence isn't completely conclusive - then it's a lot stronger than anything you've produced.

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Again, a debatable factor, neither imperically verified or falsified as are your other points.

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Unless you are claiming that the photograph is a total fake, this is a complete falsehood. The photograph showed no signs of age, nor of coral growth on the wheel. That is a solid fact.

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Wyatt didn't misunderstand the Bible. He simply read it and did the research, discovering a treasure trove of corroborative evidence that the Biblical cite was the real Mt Sinai and the bogus traditional Mt Sinai, void of all of the needed corroborative evidence was erroneous.

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Unfortunately for you he did misunderstand it. The Bible does not locate Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia.

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Though some evidence is debatable, none has been imperically refuted given the Egyptians were prone to altering data for personal and national reasons. Again, as with conventional science, the debatable and more obscure unknowns can be supported by sufficient corroborative evidence supportive to a given POV.

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I think you mean that NO empirical evidence is available. There's no significant archaeological evidence that points to the Exodus occurring at all.

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Nonsense! It is significantly more shallow than any other area of the sea. There is also the likelihood that large vessels and erosion over the millenia have deepened the middle shipping lane area from what it was at the time of he Exodus.

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Not according to the chart in the earlier thread.

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Says the materialistic exclusionist. You keep on ignoring the corroborative evidence cited

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Wrong. I simply note the obvious fact that it is hopelessly weak and circumstantial.

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As for the rest of your message relative to rust and coral, etc. the debris was obviously more than a few hundred years.

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WHAT debris ? I only saw the coral formations and the one wheel.

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The coral photographed could well have been very old.

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Could it ? What's the evidence for that ?

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The rust could have been from the tires and axles. Natural iron, was used long before the iron age perse as attested to in the book of Genesis and elsewhere.

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Not in Egypt. Iron was only used relatively late, and was still very rare even at the time of Tutankhamun, after Wyatt's Exodus date. It wouldn't be used on chariot wheels then !

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This again is all debatable and not for this thread but again corroborated evidence in the region is supportive to the Biblical record.

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It's solid evidence - better than the weak circumstantial evidence you expect me to unquestioningly accept.

Some of that is so false, it's outright insane.To just point out the craziest nonsense there's this ignorant piece of bigotry:

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The penalty of refusal to worship the image will be punishable by death, as per Shariah Islamic law. Many who refuse will be beheaded as per Revelation 20 and Islamic tradition.

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Worshipping images is AGAINST Sharia law.

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Likely it will be that two way TV will be spot checked to make sure the sheeples are worshipping as Islamics do in the view if the TV which will cite Mecca on the image or something of that nature. The TV or whatever advanced tech is in place at the time will be the image, not some hand crafted idol which Shariah law forbids.

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Aside from the fact that the whole TV idea is an incredibly dubious interpretation, there is still no requirement in Islam to actually worship a TV picture, a TV or anything that could be shown on a TV. Just the opposite. In other words this scenario is NOT plausible and can be entirely attributed to your imagination. Nothing supernatural is required to "explain" it at all.

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Your strawman argument does not address my postion. I did not allege that there was in place now any Islamic requirement to worship and image on TV.

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As usual you are misrepresenting the facts.In Message 85 you asserted. You explicitly said that Islam would demand worship of the image, and you did not explicitly retract it.

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My position is that the tech is advancing and it is feasible that given the power and tech, which appears to be emerging this could soon be implemented.

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And, of course, your NEW position has nothing to do with Biblical prophecy - which IS about worshipping an image, specifically the image of the Beast.Revelation 13:15