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Dr Adequate

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Message 85 of 164 (359370)
10-27-2006 6:24 PM

Reply to: Message 84 by Philip
10-27-2006 5:21 PM

Re: Fallacious Misnomers of Benefical Mutation?

If I write the books I can redefine "beneficial mutation";

No you can't.

why do you trust *authority* anyway?

The meaning of words has to be determined somehow, or watermelons floridly delectate the runcible iguana.

At any rate, I'd be interested in your thoughts on GPSPs

As you claim to have just invented the concept, but have not said what it is, I can hardly venture an opinion on it.

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Dr Adequate

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Message 88 of 164 (359381)
10-27-2006 7:08 PM

Reply to: Message 87 by Philip
10-27-2006 7:01 PM

Re: Mutants vs Novel Genes

Dr Adequate,

Please get back on topic.

We're debating mutant new genes and the credibility of *new genes* at the gene pool level, not dafinitions.

Well, I hate to correct you, but you were in fact discussing definitions.

Beneficial (advantageous) mutations don't ever occur (unless one unscrupulously perverts the defintion of mutation into mere "change"...

Your contrary lexicon and biology dafinitions seem ridiculous.

Why not support YOUR own dafinition

If I write the books I can redefine "beneficial mutation";

Remember?

If you will not admit that "mutation" means a change in the genome, then we cannot discuss biology with you any further, for want of a common language.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate

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Message 143 of 164 (552578)
03-29-2010 10:43 PM

Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
03-29-2010 7:49 PM

Re: Brand-Spanking-New Alleles (Again)

I'm wondering how many traits are supposed to have arisen from NON evolutionarily beneficial mutations, that don't improve reproductive success -- I would imagine the vast majority myself -- in which case how did they become fixed at all?

Genetic drift.

Also, there seems to be a common habit of simply assuming that any trait originated with a mutation rather than any hint that anyone actually KNOWS that it did from empirical evidence at the genome level.

A new genetic trait is a mutation by definition.

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Message 145 of 164 (552612)
03-30-2010 6:21 AM

Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
03-29-2010 11:35 PM

Re: Brand-Spanking-New Alleles (Again)

I realize that your religion requires you to be wrong about some things, but why the heck do you have to be wrong about everything?

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