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Author Topic:   The origin of new genes
pesto
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Message 66 of 164 (353139)
09-29-2006 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
09-28-2006 4:35 PM


Re: New Genes?
"Faith" writes:
And if the mutation that brought about the tail is simply the recurrence of a formerly expressed allele, in my book that's not a mutation
Sorry, but you don't get to supply your own definition for the word mutation. It already has a well accepted definition, and what you're doing amounts to moving the goal posts. Let's take another look at what Equinox wrote.
"Equinox" writes:
AATACGTGTTGTGAC, and it promotes tail growth, then a mutation, say to
AATACGTGTTGTGAT, may render it nonfunctional. That gene may then be selected for (since maybe women find a shorter tail sexy), and so later humans could all have the second version. Then, in a baby in Spain in the 20th century or some such, a mutation occurs that switches it back to a C, or to an equivalent nucleotide, since the system is redundant anyway:
AATACGTGTTGTGAC. So the baby has a tail due to the mutation, revealing our evolutionary past (since the rest of the genetic mechanism for making a tail is still there).
There are two similar, yet differently functioning strings of DNA.
AATACGTGTTGTGAC - tail-forming
AATACGTGTTGTGAT - non-tail-forming
If both parents had only the non-tail-forming string of DNA, and their child received the tail-forming string of DNA, that is a mutation, plain and simple.

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pesto
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Message 67 of 164 (353142)
09-29-2006 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dr Adequate
09-26-2006 8:55 PM


An ignored post
I would like to point out that the following post was ignored.
"Dr Adequate" writes:
Variations are merely CALLED mutations without any evidence whatever that they are in fact mutations. Whatever it would take to prove that they are truly novel, never existing before in the population, is what is needed.
Very well. We prove it thus. Only two of each kind of unclean beast was taken onto the ark, one male, one female. mtDNA is passed down through the female line. Therefore, any variation of the mtDNA in an unclean baramin is evidence of a novel mutation. Such variation exists. QED.
This calls one of two things into serious question. Either novelty can arise through mutation, or these species were not reduced to a population of two. The latter is off-topic for this thread, but I also doubt it would be an acceptable explanation for Faith, et al. It still stands that both cannot be true.

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