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Jesus the rabbi ?

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crashfrog
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09-19-2003 2:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Rubten
09-18-2003 5:10 PM

I assume the Master of Ceremonies is the father of the bride; if tradition dictates. If Jesus was invited, as was his mother, why then would his mother worry about whether or not the wine had run out if they were just guests?
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Have you ever been married? I assume not. I was, however, a month and a half ago, and I'll tell you this: People at your wedding consider it their solemn duty to make sure you're not worrying about anything.
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After all Jesus's mom may have worried about the wine level because she was a lush, and wanted more wine.
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At the end of the passage, the Master of Ceremonies calls Jesus the bridegroom and applaudes the fact that the good wine was given after the lesser wine had been served.
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You're making an implication that isn't in either version of the text presented. Jesus isn't called the bridegroom.
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crashfrog
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09-19-2003 6:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 18 by Rubten
09-19-2003 12:13 PM

I have been married three years and as a matter of fact got married in Italy.
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Tutti bene, paisano!
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(They closed the bar early at my wedding - lame. Wish Jesus had been there, they had plenty of water.)
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Nonetheless:
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Jese was married. Period. Show me where it says he is not.
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"Jese" might very well have been married, for all I know. (Would that be the origin of the song "Jese's Girl"? I hadn't realized that was biblical.)
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But no reading of the text supports the idea that Jesus was married. You've failed to explain how you come to the conclusion that the bridegroom referred to is Jesus. It could be Jesus, yes, because they don't specifically name him, but then, why don't they ever again mention the fact that Jesus isn't single? Why don't they ever say something like "And thus Jesus had a hard day, and went home to have a beer with his wife." Or something. And if Jesus was married, why would generations of Catholic priests insist for hundreds of years later that he wasn't married and insist that their priests not marry either?
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The text doesn't support a married Jesus. Period. I'm about as unrepentant an atheist as there could be, and even I can see that.
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11-13-2003 9:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 33 by Zealot
11-13-2003 7:25 AM

August 2nd.
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