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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Coyote writes: Could you cite for me the additional bones in our feet that were not in ape feet? Your right and I was wrong on this one Coyote. I was thinking we had MORE bones but they are just shaped different....my bad Here is an interesting site that explains the differences; Just a moment... Thanks,IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Strongbow writes: We don't have any body "parts" (based, at least, on my definition of such a vague word) that can't be traced directly to an analogous structure in fish. No you misunderstand the question. Please revisit Message 265 Respectfully,IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source. Wow Percy, I couldn't help but wonder if you were actually crying as you posted your venom.If you look at Message 267 you'll see that I did list the source I was quoting from. which is an on-line open source journal with no real peer review
I see 4 peer reviews listed.
[qs]Note that he's talking about "spontaneous formation." No one believes the first replicator came about spontaneously.[qs]
OK, I thought that is what you were trying to say in Message 172[qs]The first "organism" was probably just a collection of chemicals held within some kind of membrane, and that "organism" was "fully formed."[qs] You weren't saying this collection of chemicals spontaneously formed this organism then? IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Why don't you find something in apes that doesn't exist in fish and we'll talk about that ....I would have to look into that. I know their are some pretty weird fish. ...all I had stated was I didn't understand what you had meant by that statement about complex creatures not evolving body parts......you guys need to lighten up a little around here. IC Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Why don't you find something in apes that doesn't exist in fish and we'll talk about that We could start with earlobes, eyelids and a nose. IC Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
No more plagiarism, okay? I wasn't purposely committing plagiarism. You guys act like I was trying to pull a fast one and I wasn't at all. I thought I gave the necessary references but I was obviously wrong. That seems to be the unpardonable sin around here. It seems to be no problem to blaspheme the Holy Spirit left and right around here but hey, don't you ever post information without showing where it came from. I will just retract that submission altogether. Its not a major issue to me. I do have other questions about the first fully formed organism but it is too far off topic for this thread.
I'm sure you consider yourself an honest and responsible person Yes I do. I would have a stroke if I ever heard one of you evolutionists admit to being wrong about anything or admitting there is something you don't know. IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
You know what? You want to take your gloves off and gang up on me with all these deep insults over this stupid issue? Go right ahead. It doesn't faze me in the slightest. I will stand behind any chance factor number that adds up to showing the ToE is utterly impossible in every way shape and form.
You think you are all high and mighty because you have biology knowledge and yet your conclusions are so far off you are nothing more than a bunch of well educated fools! Frankly, any person who can stand there and look at the skeletal system configuration andHONESTLY think it could have formed by way of lucky accidental mutations is in my opinion as dumb as random mutation and natural selection itself. I emphasize the word honestly because I know most of you are "willingly ignorant" because of your rebellion against your maker. I forgive the mean and hateful things you feel against me, ICDESIGN
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
derwood writes:
Your equating a hole created by the force of running water with joints in the skeletal system? How did erosion manage to create a hole with the exact right volume to hold the same volume of water when it rains?"What do we got for him behind curtain #3 Johnny? Wank wank wank waaahhh. Twooo donkey's"
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Yeah, I know. The only reason I posted on that thread today is because I had a fresh reply. I have thought about picking up where we left off but haven't got a renewed motivation for it yet. I was in the frame of mind back then. When I started that thread I asked the question of how all the correct bones, joints and muscles ended up in the in the correctly needed positions and your response was "pretty much by natural selection" I believe was your response (without going back and looking). And of course I heard all the typical "who says those are the correct parts and positions" smoke and mirror responses. When last you were here we were talking about new functions/features that are possessed by apes but not by fish. My Message 286 is the last message in that discussion. When I am ready to spend the time debating this subject again I would like to pitch my tent back at this point because none of those answers even came close to satisfying the question in my opinion.Good hearing from you, IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crash writes:
Thanks Crash. That is a compliment. In Matthew 18:2 Jesus said "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." Talking to you is akin to talking to a very small child. I admit I have a simple childlike approach to things but guess what? The truth is so simple a child can understand it. I may not be the most articulate cat in town but I think I bring some thought provoking points of view to the table. Heck, at least I bring a little personality into the fray with some humor and friendly gestures now and then which is more than I can say for many of the members around here.
Because that's how it happened.
And this is the gun you brought to the fight? That's about equivalent to an empty plasticwater pistol puffing a little air spurt. You would be more vicious to tickle me to death Could you explain why you find natural selection an unsatisfying answer?
Yes I could. Your little fairytale was quite entertaining. I had to stop half way through and run to make some popcorn.
And then, during the fraud prosecution...
I think that was an excellent way to put it because that's exactly what this whole notion of natural selection being able to "edit" is, a fraud. In a nutshell editing is an act of intelligence with intentionality. This is in direct violation of the very premise of ToE.And where the heck are all these bones, muscles and joints coming from to begin with. This totally screams intentionality! A joint is needed between bones to have proper mobility and I am to believe it just happened along? Sorry, I just can't sign up for that wishful thinking fairytale! Let me give you a very simple and short quiz Crash; What is one provable truth all of these systems have in common? The Neurological SystemVision Hearing Balance Smell Taste Touch Skin The Endocrine System The Respiratory The Gastrointestinal System The Circulatory System The Excretory System The Musculoskeletal System The Reproduction System Doot du doot du, doot du doot, doot du doot du doot du doot......and his answer is? Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Hi Huntard,
Good to here from you mate.
And sometimes a bit of bile, perhaps?
You are right my friend. Some of my remarks do end up as you say. In fact it is one of my New Year resolutions to work on that. Having said that, the heavy condescending and belittling comes from your camp mostly. Almost every single reply from your guys are filled with hate centered comments about how stupid we creationists are. Being a rebel all my life and an Ex-Marine, my tendency is to push back. Like I said, I am trying to be more Christ-like. Boy is it hard around hereWhat I mean is that some of your remarks are condescending and belittling, like all your "opponents" are children to be told off. Any who mate I am off to bed. You will have to wait till tomorrow for more feedback and the answer to the quiz. Your answer was wrong. I said provable. Good night friend,IC Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
I withdraw the idea of that test as being provable. The end result of all those systems produces a purpose. I had forgotten the term 'function' replaces the idea of purpose in the evolutionary world view. To me its obvious that when you have several functions working together such as in the vision system, and the end result is being able to see, it is an intentional purpose. I guess I can never prove that so what is the point.
You think I don't understand the claims of the ToE. I do.I know what its claims are and that it is impossible for those claims to be true. Right now I just feel like going away. Nobody respects anything I have to offer anyway. Nothing changes on this forum. Nothing "we" ever say will ever change your minds and nothing "you" ever say will change our minds. That's just the way it is. The endless argument......ho hum
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy writes:
Yes. That is exactly what it means.
The eyes in our heads are there for the purpose of allowing us to see. Does that mean they were designed and placed there with intentional purpose? How would you design a test to determine this?
This is such an astonishing system with such a high level of intelligence throughout the entire design you have to infer an intelligent mind constructed it for the purpose of allowing sight.The odds of such a construction arising without the assistance of an intelligent mind are astronomical. The true test needed is one that can prove such a design can develop without the assistance of intelligence. I'm not sure why such a no-brainer even needs a test to begin with. This whole issue is a head-scratcher to me. So simple a child should be able to understand it. where does this human tendency to assign purpose and intent to things stop? "Intent" is a human construct that we overlay onto reality. It is incredibly common for people to ascribe most things that happen to some purposeful intent, often God or fate or destiny.
Fate or destiny are not of the physical world and are a whole other discussion entirely.
The reason we teach evolution in science class is because it has been put on so solid a scientific footing that it has become almost universally accepted within the relevant scientific community.
Oh please. It is only accepted by those who don't want to be accountable to God. I fully understood Crash was giving an analogy but my point is still the same. Natural selectionhas to have intentionality to determine if a mutation is beneficial or not and choose the best for survival. IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Your way too deep for me Taq...NOT
...and the endless argument goes on and on and on and on and on......... ...you boys have at it, I have a toilet to clean...
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Good Morning Huntard, (or what time is it for you over there in the Netherlands?)
Just one little point from your last response.
I appreciate your friendly and respectful response Mate. I was thinking if we lived in the same neck of the woods I would invite you over to watch the Super Bowl or something. We would have to keep our world views on the shelve to keep from arguing though I guessWhy are they impossible? Could you explain that to me? Lets do a little analogy since a word picture is a pretty effective way to make a point. OK?Lets take a man and we'll call him Mr. Chance. Now lets say for the purpose of this test Mr. Chance is a being who can live for as long as we want, lets say billions of years. Now lets give Mr. Chance a big pile of parts to work with. Lets say it is 5,000 parts along with 50,000 nuts, bolts and screws of various sizes that when fully assembled in the correct sequence would create a beautiful new Rolls Royce. Now for the purposes of this test Mr. Chance has never seen any kind of automobile and has no clue what he is suppose to build. Not only that but Mr. Chance is dumber than a room full of Creationists ...just checking to see if you were still awake. But no, lets say he has never been to a day of school in his life and wouldn't know a hammer from a screwdriver. Now giving him any amount of time you choose, would he EVER be able to assemble the Rolls Royce?
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