The evidence for design and a designer - AS OF 10/27, SUMMARY MESSAGES ONLY

onifre writes:I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm doing it just to piss you off.

Dawn Bertot writes:Oni, order is evidence of order.

Dawn Bertot writes:Since order implies order and demonstrates it through natural order...

Dawn Bertot writes:Its not circular reasoning...

Buzsaw writes:The difference is that intelligently designed things serve the purpose and intent of the designer, whereas your example/model has no purpose or intent.Design things which have purpose and intent tend towards ordered complexity relative to the purpose and intent of the intelligent designer whereas random design does not.

Buzsaw writes:The difference is that things with a purpose serve the purpose and purpose of the purpose creator, whereas your example/model has no purpose or purpose.Things with a purpose which have purpose and purpose tend towards ordered complexity relative to the purpose and purpose of the purpose creator whereas things with no pupose do not.

Just being real writes:(alidyupoaijgflaeijrllzkxclaijtlakjfdpkuahflakmjnjfpiajdgkajiofija)It can be said to be very complex. Each "place" in the line holds a total possible of 26 different letters that could appear there. And there are 65 different places in the line. It can be said that since this is one out of many different possibilities that could have appeared there, this line is very unique. However, to us the observers, it is simply unintelligible gibberish. Merely random key strokes on the key board. However if in the line you saw these letters:(exceptamanbebornagainhecannotseethekingdomofgodforthatwhichisborn)Now they trigger a recognition response from an independent experience, and the letters perform a specific function. Each line carries the same amount of complex information, but only the latter one carries specific information. When we see a tree branch we see an object that was formed by natural unguided processes (perhaps complex) but not specific. However when we see an arrow, it triggers our recognition from a previous experience and we call the arrow "specific."