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Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration

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Message 5 of 105 (589078)
10-30-2010 11:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
10-29-2010 1:05 PM

Re: Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration
He who tries to gain wisdom from one book is not wise.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-30-2010 2:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 8 by Buzsaw
10-30-2010 2:28 PM

Re: Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration
Buzsaw writes:
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It is unique; a compilation of 66 books, written over a period of some 1500 years from diverse nations by roughly 40 different writers from all walks of life including lowly self educated shepherds, nomadic prophets dwelling in the wilderness, fishermen, highly educated noblemen and majestic kings.
But the canon (your canon, that is) was decided by a handful of men in dresses.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-30-2010 5:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
10-30-2010 3:55 PM

Re: Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration
Buzsaw writes:
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It evolved over centuries, beginning with the times of the writers.
The point is that the canonical books were collected together because they were already considered to contain wisdom. It was extra-Biblical human wisdom that decided what was wise in the books.
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Buzsaw writes:
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What is important relative to this thread is whether the source makes one wiser and more knowledgeable as well as where to find the most useful wisdom and knowledge in it.
So, if there's a high concentration of wisdom in the Bible, why don't people who believe the Bible exhibit an unusually high degree of wisdom?
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-30-2010 5:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
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Re: Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration
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I see a correlation of the Biblical wisdom and the cultural advancement of Western civilization, especially in nations where the Bible is freely read and taught.
That's not what I asked. In western civilization itself, do believers in the Bible exhibit more wisdom than unbelievers? Are there, for example, fewer Bible believers in prison? Do Bible believers tend to have more successful marriages? If not, then maybe the supposed "superior wisdom" in western culture is in spite of the Bible instead of because of it.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-30-2010 6:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
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Re: Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration
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To profess Christianity is one thing but to read, believe and practice Biblical fundamentals, quite another.
I know that. That's what I'm asking. Why don't the professing Christians on this site, for example, exhibit any signs of wisdom?
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11-05-2010 1:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 68 by purpledawn
11-05-2010 8:33 AM

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Interesting that no one has disagreed with the actual verses yet.
There's a difference between wisdom and inspiration. For me, at least, most of the inspiration in the Bible comes from the presentation, not the content - style over substance. The proverbs, etc. make good sound bites even if the content is trite.
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Nobody is likely to disagree with content that is trivially true.
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But the real wisdom, in my opinion, is in the ideas that are not "common sense", ideas like loving your enemies or turning the other cheek.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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11-09-2010 10:40 AM 		Reply to: Message 95 by Granny Magda
11-08-2010 12:12 PM

Re: The Judge Samson
Granny Magda writes:
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I like the way Rosselson subtly inverts the moral, making the ant seem like a bit of a git, living a life devoid of joy and not much worth saving.
The ant failed to heed Jesus' advice:
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Mat 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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He also failed to love his neighbour as himself.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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