THE STATUS OF WOMEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT EPISTLES

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(Here come the eggs n tomatoes. Buz leavin town. Talk to ya when I dare return.)

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I got my trusty slingshot ready, too

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1. Throughout the history of mankind it has been so. Not only in Christian cultures. Men have been leaders/heads of home, government and religion. The world has not become a more content/happy place where this is changing. Nor are women happier/more content.

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Excuse me? Have you looked at suicide rates among women in cultures where they are oppressed like this? Or rates of transgender feelings among girls in such cultures? Let's see if I can find one really quick here...Hmm, here's a mirror of one that I ran into a while ago.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TNUKdigest/message/158And don't try and pretend that this is due to the veil This is what happens almost universally when you treat women like property. You see, you may not realize it, but we have these things called "feelings", and we can do this amazing trick called "free thought", something once thought only available to males like you.

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2. I believe Biblical women have faired as well or better than most women historically. Islam is an example of greater opression of women. Athiestic Communism as in China scores badly also.

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So, you're talking greater oppression than selling women as property, God-endorsed enslavement of virgins-only, etc? Give me a break If your answer is due to the covering of women's hair, are you aware that that was initially as Jewish tradition as well? Only some orthodox still use it:Lubbock Avalanche-JournalShamash.org (an orthodox jewish site) has a fair bit of discussion on this issue.It used to be far worse. Would you like some of the early writings on women's dress in general?BTW, if you want to talk about women's rights in ancient cultures, are you aware that throughout much of ancient Egyptian history, women could not only own property, divorce their husbands, and hold high office - but actually were guaranteed the same wages as men for doing the same work? Oh wait, but we should be thankful for having no right to own property, to divorce our husbands, and to get paid less, right!?

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3. Women are designed both emotionally to follow and to be protected by the stronger man.

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Are you actually trying to claim that *men* are emotionally stable? Men, who do the vast majority of murders, of assaults, etc? Men, who much more often than women think wars are a good thing? I suppose if you think violence is good guidance, then be my guest in holding that opinion. If you're talking about physical strength, of course men average being stronger. But physical strength has absolutely *zero* to do with intelligence and, consequently, coming up with a good plan for leadership. Scholastically, women average better than men in most subjects.

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4. The lower voice, physical strength, and mental nature of the man is more naturally suited for leadership role.

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Oh give me a break. If I could lift a bulldozer that wouldn't make me any better to lead than a yucca plant. "Mental Nature"? Go tell that to the next girl that you ask out. "Lower Voice"? Yeah, that's another thing that makes a good leader!Give me a break.

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The Biblical account of orgins accounts for and explains this, imo far more adequately than does chancy evolution. Why would the sexes evolve to incorporate this phenomonen of mankind's history?

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Sexual dimorphism is an obvious expectation of evolution. You'll notice that the more polygynous a species, the more male-dominated it is, and the higher the ratio of size differences between males and females. Polyandrous species have just the opposite. True monogamous species tend to be roughly the same size. Humans have been slightly polygamous throughout history, and thus have slightly larger males than females. Polygamy induces more intense competition between males; polyandry incudces more intense competition between females.Neither, by the way, affect intelligence. Ego, perhaps. ------------------
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