THE STATUS OF WOMEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT EPISTLES

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1. Throughout the history of mankind it has been so. Not only in Christian cultures.

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...um, except when and where it hasn't been so.There are more than a few examples of matriarchal societies, including the Iroquois Native American tribe.In fact, there is some compelling evidence to suggest that Goddess worship and reverence of women's ability to bring forth life was the prevailing religion/mindset of humans for a very long time.

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The world has not become a more content/happy place where this is changing. Nor are women happier/more content.

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Yes, I certainly wish my father had sold me to the highest bidder instead of my being able to choose to marry or not to someone of my own choosing.I am also very regretful that I can vote, own property, control my own fertility, become employed at any profession I choose, become educated at all, and even to the highest degree I can attain, etc. etc.Yes, I surely wish I was still ruled over by all men.Do you REALLY think that women would be much better off as chattel, Buz, or as second-class citizens?

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2. I believe Biblical women have faired as well or better than most women historically. Islam is an example of greater opression of women.

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Actually, Islamic texts encourage the education of women. the Bible, by contrast, does not, and in fact instructs women to shut up a lot of the time.

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4. The lower voice, physical strength, and mental nature of the man is more naturally suited for leadership role.

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HAHAHAHAHA!Your justification for your sexism and woman-hating is amusing.Lower voices and physical strength have what, exactly, to do with leadership, other than possibly being used to intimidate others?Intimidation is not leadership.Please also explain what kinds of mental attributes that only men enjoy which makes them good leaders, and also please explain how women do not or cannot also enjoy these mental attributes.Also please explain how you know that women have not been systematically discouraged from developing these attributes of leadership by our culture, and also please explain how you know that men have not been encouraged to develop thease attributes by our culture.[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-05-2003]

I am going to start a new topic in "Faith and Belief" regarding biblical sexism.See you there, Rei nad Buz.

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Nothing I've ever said on EvC Forum warrants labeling me as a woman hater.

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Buz, when you plainly state that you think that the 'natural' state of women is to be led by men, then you are, to me, someone who thinks women are inferior.That's what a woman-hater; a misogynist, is, Buz. Someone who fears and dislikes women so much that they attempt to dictate to women what they can or can't do or say or think, etc., solely on the basis of their gender.In short, a misogynist is someone who thinks that women and women's behavior should be controlled by men, and that men have every right to this control.The thing is, you obviously don't even know you you are a misogynist.Also, I think you are using my strong language to avoid answering my questions.I repeat the most crucial one; do you REALLY believe that women were better off as chattel, or as second class citizens?[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-05-2003]

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Schraf, I simply posted what I see to be facts of history and things taught in the Bible, etc.

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And I disagree and explained why, and gave examples, of why I think you are completely wrong.

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Until your attitude changes towards me, go insult someone else.

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I regret using the inflamatory phrase of 'woman-hater', buz, and I am sorry that you felt insulted.