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Dawn Bertot
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Message 86 of 213 (619843)
06-12-2011 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by frako
06-09-2011 6:35 PM


so basically what Jesus meant to say was some of you will become "super-heroes" in service of god before you die?
Or the kingdom of god has already come you just dont know it yet and NONE of you will taste death before the kingdom comes because i am that kingdom, and i am already here.
Would it not be simpler to take the prophecy literally, it says some of you will not die before my father comes and rules the earth.
No Icant he gets an F in honesty. A simple reading of Matt 16 should make it clear to any and all that Jesus viewed the Chruch and kingdom as one and the same. Almost in the same breath he uses the terms interchangably. "I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it and to You Peter I will give the keys to the kingdom" In Acts chapter two peter used those figurative keys to show entrance into the kingdom or the church.
The Apostles were instructed to go to Jeruselum and wait for Power from on high. This power was demonstrated to them in private, then in public at Pentecost.
Therefore logically, if Peter were the only one to hear such a claim, he most definately fulfilled not only the promise of the kingdom, but the implimentatation of its power
Further if we are going to use the same source (The gospels) for our contention as we do our answer, there is no problem involved in Jesus' words or his claims or his fulfillments
I sometimes wonder if these fellas that start such threads are actually really interested in whether Jesus was a prophet or liar, or are such threads started just to stir things up
Frako, are you really interested in whether he was an actual prophet, do you really care about any such kingdom
In fact what do you care about of a religious nature?
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Posts: 3571
Joined: 11-23-2007


Message 174 of 213 (629888)
08-20-2011 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by jaywill
08-20-2011 5:05 PM


Re: Parable - Not a Prophecy
Though Jews here and there may turn to believe in Christ, on a national level, we should not expect Israel to accept Jesus as the Messiah until all the things related to the great tribulation and His second coming have come to pass.
"Until"
Let me ask you a question, Dr Jaywill.
You said at the first resurrection, God will seperate the real christians from the fake ones, correct? And the fake ones will be gathered and burned
At this same time or at the 1000 year reign, Christ will reunite the still disbelieving Jews to his kingdom.
Unless I am misunderstanding "Burn" in that passage, why would disbelieving Jews, even up to the point of the second coming, get a second chance at repentance, but unworthy Christians, be sent immediately to punishment, without a second chance.
If I am misunderstanding something or have misinterpreted something I apologize
You may have stated otherwise somewhere else, or I just did not see it
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Posts: 3571
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Message 177 of 213 (629898)
08-20-2011 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by jaywill
08-20-2011 8:58 PM


Re: Parable - Not a Prophecy
Some of this may not be exactly what you were asking the "Dr" - lol. Thanks for the encouragment.
You deserve it and command that type of respect
My understanding of the wheat and tares parable is that the angels will gather out of the world the living false Christians. I think the gathering of them into bundles to burn is done "first".
By false Christians, you mean, not a child of God at all, correct?
I am not prepared to comment on the matter of the unbelieving or believing Jews. But I will think on what you asked.
Maybe I don't know the answer. But if you have an opinion about it, please spell things out real clearly so I know what you mean.
Naaaa, I started a response to your above statement, but thought it not important enough to distract from your present course.
We as brothers are in about 99.99999% harmony on any doctrinal issues and thats all that matters
heck, we are brothers in Christ and that is what is really matters
I always await with anticipation your next post in any thread, its like a big meal at the Golden Corral. A spiritual fillup
thanks for your dedication and knowledge
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Posts: 3571
Joined: 11-23-2007


Message 178 of 213 (629900)
08-20-2011 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by jaywill
08-20-2011 9:18 PM


Tares, I think, are the malicious FALSE believers in Christ planted by the enemy. You know that in some "churches" even the one lead "pastor" may be an atheist or unbeliever who parades himself as a disciple of Christ.
I did not realize things could or would deteriate to that point. Would you consider that something as een happening at present?
Dawn Bertot

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