Buzsaw writes:
The problem with your straw-man data is that what the observable evidence pertaining to the prophets show, is that the promise of Jehovah to Abram, Isaac and confirmed to Jacob that the land would be restored in the latter days, to become Israel's land foreverm is on tract. Despite all of the waring nations committed to tiny Israel's demise, surrounding her, she has withstood them all, still Jewish and still powerful.
What I was referring to was the first quote you come up with in your great debate that wasn't great and didn't happen.
Buzsaw writes:
The first Biblical prophecy relating to the ultimate restoration of the nation is in Genesis 13:14, 15 (ASV)
"14And Jehovah said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art, northward and southward and eastward and westward: 15for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."
So, was Jerusalem part of this promised land? If so, and we assume your view that the Jews are the seed of Abraham, then God clearly failed on this early promise. He should have said "I will give you this land intermittently for about 10% of the time over the next few thousand years", shouldn't he?
"For ever" means from the moment of speaking through the rest of all time.
Now, on to your problems with the "seed of Abraham". Most people who identify themselves as Jewish in some sense haven't gone to Israel. Almost all people who identify themselves as Jewish have picked up some ancestry from regions of the world other than the middle-east over the last two millennia.
The mixing goes the other way as well, and many people around the world will have a Jewish ancestor somewhere in their history, because many Jews assimilated into the mainstream cultures wherever they were over those two millennia. So, the "seed of Abraham" (any distinctive alleles his original small tribe might have had) are drifting all around the world, and most of them certainly won't ever return to the region.
As for your prophecies in relation to modern Israel, what you're seeing with religious Zionists (and to some extent the secular ones) is a classic example of self-fulfilling prophecy. This is when knowledge of a prophecy and belief in it makes it come true.