Apostasy from Christ' true teachings

Hey QuizHow is this statement worth anything?.quote:
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"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."This is most likely a proper description of any society throughout history much less our own.How this can be anything but a smokescreen to distract people from thinking for themselves is beyond me.Every generation throughout the ages has assumed that since they were experiencing these things then it must relate to them and their generation is the one to experience end times.Perhaps someone in the forum here can pull up a paragraph showing records of these behaviours descibed.Now to your next point.quote:
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"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "Here the narrator is speaking to the bretheren of the church of Thessoloians and they state that the people not be troubled as the day of christ is at hand.Why would they say this if in fact it were not true?I will leave it at this for now and await your reply before continuing.[This message has been edited by sidelined, 10-30-2003][This message has been edited by sidelined, 10-30-2003][This message has been edited by sidelined, 10-30-2003]

What do you mean by this?"plus now days evil acts are getting worse and worse not better and better.)"I think you had better explain what is worse these days compared to back then in terms of "evil acts".

So "worse and worse" means more and more. Does this mean "better and better" means less and less?

Hey QuizSorry I was confused as the sentence did not make sense in it's context."those figures are bad but good for the example. more people more sins, thus more evil acts, plus now days evil acts are getting worse and worse not better and better.)"

QuizHow can you possibly believe that these statements support one another?You are twisting the words to the extreme and they still do not really fit do they?"Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man."""Without a doubt, that prophecy came true. The Lord did not return to the earth for His Second Coming before that time"Now we have this gem."without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing"Well if it was a previous apearing then he would hardly have to see it as a future event[at eighty five years of age] and therefore is not a prophecy and if it referred to the beginning of the millenium then it would not have occurred even if he had lived to be 85.The end of the millenium has also passed and neither has the event occurred.Then the last item"or whether I should die and thus see his face"Well we will never know shall we? This prophesy is empty of any real information and therefore cannot be evidence.As a great man once said this is not even false.[This message has been edited by sidelined, 11-14-2003]

QuizWhat kind of B.S.is this? You do not answer my points and then you proceed with a hackneyed excuse that I must read the entire scripture to understand the context.I am sorry but the sentences I was dealing with are nonsensical and no "context" will change that.I will establish some of the points again."without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing"Read the sentence mate.The "coming" refers to a FUTURE event!It CANNOT refer to "some previous appearing." *sheesh*Joseph Smith died in 1844 at the age of 38.He never reached 85. He therefore could not have ever seen the face of the "Son of Man.""Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man."And again in the first quote above."beginning of the millennium" If it was the millenium then the part about "if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old" also makes no sense.I am sorry to say Quiz but you have got to do better than this.------------------
"Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry."

QuizI can prophesy as well as that.Here we go. I state for the record that he will not come before 2005 but he may come later.As I said previously this has no useful information information since it leaves the prediction open to interpretation.A prophesy,in my eyes must be far greater in its accuracy,otherwise
it has no value.Now if I were to state that He will definitely come in the year 2008 around the middle of August then that is a prediction that holds water but only if I stand firm by it and do not change the prediction if the date passes without the event occuring as I claimed it would.Ambiguity has no part in a prediction such as you maintain J.S. had.[This message has been edited by sidelined, 11-15-2003]