Apostasy from Christ' true teachings

Well I looked at the page and it is pretty clear that Joseph Smith predicted the the Civil war would turn into a World War:

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1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.

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"..war shall be poured out on all nations, beginning at this place" - sounds pretty clear to me. Nothing less than a World War would satisfy that. Yet the American Civil War remained just that - it did not escalate as Smith clearly predicted.Of course Lindsay tries to argue that that is not what Smith meant at all - but look at his handling of the quote from Allred

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You have scarcely yet read the preface of your national trouble. Many nations will be drawn into the American maelstrom that now whirls through our land; and after many days, when the demon of war shall have exhausted his strength and madness upon American soil, by the destruction of all that can court or provoke opposition, he will remove his headquarters to the banks of the Rhine.

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Allred too predicts escalation of the American Civil War "Many nations will be drawn into the American maelstrom that now whirls through our land", yet Lindsay ignores that altogether, focussing only on the reference to the Rhine

The idea that the Book of Breathings could be correctly translated to give Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham is simply absurd. The texts bear no relation to each other.And presumably you think it is morally acceptable to use violence to prevent the publication of criticisms of the LDS Church, too. That is WHY Joseph Smith was in jail.

The Book of Breathings is the source for Facsimile 1 in the book of Abraham. (with additions or "reconstructions" by Joseph Smith). It is one of a collection of papyri in Joseph Smith's posession when the Book of Abraham was written.Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 claim that this illustration appears at the start of the book of Abraham.
"And it came to pass that the priests laid violence upon me, that they might slay me also, as they did those virgins upon this altar; and that you may have a knowledge of this altar, I will refer you to the representation at the commencement of this record.""That you may have an understanding of these gods, I have given you the fashion of them in the figures at the beginning..."This is pretty clear - if the figure appears at the start of the Book of Abraham then all we have to do is to find the scroll that starts with that figure - the Book of Breathings.The "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" produced by Joseph Smith also directly relates the Book of Abraham to the text of the Book of Breathings. While some have tried to insist that it is solely a creation of Joseph Smith's scribes I would have to ask why they would be doing such a thing - at the very least they must be convinced not only that the Book of Breathings was the original of the Bok of Abraham and that they could correctly relate the two (and how to do that without Joseph Smith ?).

Do you really think that the LDS Church would admit that the Book of Abraham was "translated" from an ordinary Funerary document unless they had absolutely no choice ?

There is a fundamental problem here. It is NOT a fact that the Book of Breathings is not the papyrus "translated" as the Book of Abraham.There is in fact strong evidence that it is the same scroll.

Interestign - we went over this one ans it id quite apparent that Joseph Dmith predicted that other natiions would get directly involved and that the American Civil War wuld escalate into a World War.So the Churches official line is to deny that Jospeh meant what he said since it did not happen.So lets see, Joseph Smith is a real prophet because his prophecies are reinterpreted after they fail ?