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Author Topic:   Why does Jesus misquote the Old Testament so often?
Zealot
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Message 3 of 85 (67381)
11-18-2003 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason
11-17-2003 3:32 PM


Do some research next time.
Introduction to 1 Corinthians 15 - Meaning and Commentary on Bible Verse
Introduction to 1 Corinthians 15 - Meaning and Commentary on Bible Verse
Luke 24 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
John 7 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
Use it, dont use it. If you still dont understand, sorry I doubd't I can help any further.
Z
[This message has been edited by Zealot, 11-18-2003]

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Zealot
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Message 11 of 85 (67659)
11-19-2003 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by The Revenge of Reason
11-18-2003 4:02 PM


However, I will take issue on the Luke 24:44 as your link to Crosswalk points me to a number of verses in the Bible, but only one of the verses was from "Moses Law", GE 3:15, "And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." And I don't see what this has to do with Jesus.
Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet ...
Deuteronomy 18:15
That classify as a Mosaic book ?
Also, I see no referance in any of the verses that Crosswalk points to (Isaiah 26:19, Psalms 16:10, 68:18, 110:1,7 and Hosea 6:2) that refer to JESUS being buried and rising on the 3rd day. The only thing close is Hos 6:2 and this is clearly not refering to Jesus.
RoR, will I convert you into a Christian by discussing this with you ?
I dont think so. So, why would you like me to preach to you something you can find out with enough time and effort on google ?
Jesus, like most rabbi's was fluent in the OT. That he would 'misquote' the OT (as your topic suggested) is indeed laughable. Most likely you and Rei (note how quick Rei is to agree to any Biblical criticism on ToE) and others dont know the text well enough, or dont care to understand the text.
I'm off on a 2 month holiday in a weeks time. I'll leave you with some advice.
1. If you dont believe in the Biblical text. Feel free, your choice. Just say ' I just dont believe it ' and get on with your life. Christians wont get angry at you. I have Athiest friends that ... just don't believe and its their choice! Just don't go under the pretense that you care to discuss the text... we have too many here already
2. Searching on google for 'errors in bible' will only confirm your belief that the Bible is junk.
3. If you do find something you dont "understand" or think is an error, ASK, dont imply. Your topic screams "I dont want to believe". Few Christians will even take the time to discuss it with you. Do a search on the web. Otherwise, join a Christian forum to help you out, or search for that specific passage online.
4. Learn more about the Bible and Jesus. Read up about him. I can recommend some excelent books.
5. Eventually when you join the 'The Canon and all Christian Scriptures have been mistranslated, doctored and fixed' , keep in mind that HAD it been altered, surely all these 'discrepancies' you now mention would have been cleared up...
Could you point me to specific verses that say these things, or is this as good as you got?
LOL. You can lead a horse to water...
Welcome to the forums RoR.
Z

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Zealot
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Message 13 of 85 (67671)
11-19-2003 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by The Revenge of Reason
11-19-2003 8:04 AM


Wow, Z, so angry! Sounds like you could use the vacation!
I dont get angry that fast RoR, but when you've been around here a while, you pick up patterns pretty fast.
To answer your question, yes you could convert me to a Christian if you could clear up all the problems I have with the Bible. I personally believe the only reason to believe in Christianity would be if the Bible were actually a revelation from God.
What if I cant clear up all the problems you have with the Bible ? You think I dont have questions about the Bible ? At some point you have to have faith. If you dont, everytime you someone mentions a problem you've not encountered, you have to abandon your belief. Not a great system to go by.
Without the Bible, Christianity has no evidence, it doesn't matter how many people believe in it. The main problem I have with the Bible is the (I believe) untrue picture it paints of God. It strikes me as blasphamy. Now if there were no question in my mind that the Bible was acurate then I guess that really is God's nature. However, I find many faults in the Bible.
Hopefully you've taken aboard some things I mentioned in my previous post. Remember not even the most educated of pharisees understood all the text, Jesus had to explain alot to them. When you find Christ, he can give you the answers. But expecting to find them all before you accept Christ, shows a lack of faith.
Spend time searching for the answers yourself. But much as I hate to say it EvC is probably not where you will find your answers.
But I'm still not going to buy the cross referances to Jonah, etc. unless there is a reason to believe that it refers to Jesus.
You dont need to buy the cross reference.
Hosea 6vs2 "He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. "
I'll do some looking into it myself and read more into the verses crosswalk referances, you enjoy your vacation and we will talk more about it when you return?
Sure,
stay well
Z

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Zealot
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Message 16 of 85 (67714)
11-19-2003 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by zephyr
11-19-2003 9:48 AM


Are you now arguing divine inspiration is implied by errors in the text?
Textual accuracy is implied by 'apparent' contradictions in script. Where questionable script arised, it was not altered to make a more believable story.
Seems premature and rather arrogant to imply that the problem is his, when you know nearly nothing of him personally. It is also damning to your argument that you belittle his understanding instead of providing a factual answer.
Mat 13 vs 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
I've shown RoR the answers as best I could.
If he chooses to accept them, great, if not, there is little further I can do. The idiom thus applies.

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