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Author Topic:   Why does Jesus misquote the Old Testament so often?
zephyr
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Message 14 of 85 (67677)
11-19-2003 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
11-18-2003 5:52 PM


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At any rate there's enough info in scripture to cover both for objective and serious students of scripture. Those to whom he was speaking were very familiar with the OT scriptures.
Are you saying that all "serious" students of scripture are not objective in their view of it? That would mean that anyone who's serious about the Bible allows their study of it to be tainted by subjective judgments... surely not your intent.

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zephyr
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Message 15 of 85 (67681)
11-19-2003 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Zealot
11-19-2003 6:30 AM


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5. Eventually when you join the 'The Canon and all Christian Scriptures have been mistranslated, doctored and fixed' , keep in mind that HAD it been altered, surely all these 'discrepancies' you now mention would have been cleared up...
Are you now arguing divine inspiration is implied by errors in the text?
Excuse me while I crawl back to my chair and remove myself from the floor.
The reason the sloppy deconfliction still exists is more likely this: for centuries, the masses were deprived of the right to read the Bible in their own languages. All the while, the clergy were building and fortifying the tradition of believing that Scripture is uniform (one canon), divinely inspired, inerrant, and self-consistent. With the actual writing under lock and key, some contradictions went unnoticed or at least unchallenged. Let's call it "minimal selective pressure toward self-consistency." By the time the Bible began to find its way into the hands of the common man, the canon and actual wording of books were beyond revision ("strong stabilizing selection"), so the fight remained centered in the area of interpretation - maintaining a tradition that understands various facts in just the way that is required to consider them logically consistent.
It is incredibly bizarre to shift the blame for self-contradicting scripture from human hands to a divine creator in your effort to maintain your assertion about the inspiration of the text.
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Could you point me to specific verses that say these things, or is this as good as you got?
LOL. You can lead a horse to water...
Seems premature and rather arrogant to imply that the problem is his, when you know nearly nothing of him personally. It is also damning to your argument that you belittle his understanding instead of providing a factual answer. Why do you feel the need to assume that there is something wrong with someone who does not draw the same conclusion you draw? Do you think this view is actually supported by the fact that when he asks for facts to back up your opinion, you make insulting analogies rather than just explaining yourself? That tends to hinder good-faith debate, you know.

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