Why does Jesus misquote the Old Testament so often?

Have you read the book "the case for Christ"? Lee Stroble was a court reporter for, I believe, the Washington Post. His wife became a Christian and he was soo angry he set out to disprove the bible and Christianity. He use the same techniques e used in the courtroom to check out all these questions. He had many of the same issues with the bible. What about the errors, why should the bible be taken literally, are their sources outside the bible that back up any of these stories, etc. It is a really fascinating book, pretty easy to read, and has interviews and citations that you can follow up on. If you are really serious about wanting these questions answered then I would get that book.

Good point but I still don't think it takes away from the book. I guess he thought that he represented the other side and, I'm sure like you, probably knew all the other research that was out there. For example if I were doing a book on athiesm I would not feel a great need to interview Christians because I'm already familiar with their side.

Read it, tossed it!!

Don't have the book in front of me tonight. I'm at work teaching a class. I'll dig it up and let you know tomorrow.

I was just kidding about the tossed it part.I thought the best argument for me was the change in the disciples. While it is true that Muslims, Jews, Christians, and certainly the followers of David Koresh (however you spell his name) are and have been ready to die for their beliefs, they are still beliefs, however true they may feel about them. Only the apostles were in a position to know for sure if Jesus was resurrected and appeared to them. For anyone else it must be taken on faith. And these apostles demonstrated all to eagerly that they would flee and run away, and in the case of Peter, deny Jesus to save their own life. They could have very easily picked up and started their lives over and probably live very comfortable lives. But instead of that they chose to set out, with no or little money, and expose themselves to ridicule, loneliness, open hostility, and in 11 of the 12 apostles even death.Now if you were a follower of someone and that someone turned out to be a fraud, and you knew it. What on earth would you gain by going around the country, starving, having people ridicule you, hitting you, putting you in prison, and finally standing you up against a wall and threatening to kill you with stones. No one in their sane mind would put themselves through that. These guys were wimps who became warriors. Something happened to those guys or they never would have done that.By the way I read Lowder's crituque and think he made some valid points but I thought his critique on this point was weak. I also think the argument about Paul is a strong one. Here is a guy who devoted his whole life, up to that point, persecuting and killing Christians. To then become one is an incredible transformation.I think Lowders argument on this is also pretty weak. This is like saying that if I have read a love story I can’t have and describe a love story of my own. I know you will say that is a weak analogy but I think it is fitting and equally as ridiculous as Lowder’s argument. Here again was someone who was a killer of Christians, who later was martyred for his belief.

Amen!!!

As my wife always says "more room in heaven for us." But as the Bible says I still love them and want them all to see the light eventually. I just wonder what makes them all so bitter?

Does the bible have some translating errors? of course. It was not written in English and there are some words which don't translate into English.Does it have some copying errors? Probably. It was copied by hand(no computers or printing presses) by humans who are prone to make mistakes.Did the Authors of all the books write the entire books? Probably not since many of the books include the deaths of the authors.Do we have the actual first written copies that the authors themselves wrote? Of course not. They were written down on sheep skins or papyrus so we have to rely on copies of copies.Is that a reason to "toss the baby out with the bathwater?" I think not.If the Bible were the inspired word of God then we should see evidence of this without focusing on punctuation errors, translating errors or copying errors. To do this is to miss the point.If the bible were not inspired then how do you explain Israel? The bible says that Israel would be removed from their land and scattered to the wind to be trampled by the Gentiles. Germany seems to be just one example of this.The bible says that God will preserve a remnant so that his promise to Abraham would not be broken. Israel is still here while many of the nations prophesied about have disappeared.The bible says that Israel would be gathered from the four winds and return to their land. I believe that was fulfilled in 1948. At that time Israel was attacked by its Arab neighbors and with just barely a home they miraculously defeated all their attackers taking even more land.They were again attacked by their neighbors in the six day war. They were attacked on all sides and not only did they win but they won in only six days!! If you every need proof of a modern day miracle, here it is. That makes desert storm look like an eternity.The bible says at the end of time everyone will be against Israel (battle or Armageddon) I'm not sure how many friends Israel has right now. The US may be the only one.The bible says that the temple will be rebuilt because it is mentioned that the antichrist will defile the temple. I've been to Israel and seen the materials, which have already been gathered to rebuild the temple. You can check out a site about that yourself. Here are just two of the many on the topic. The first one even talks about the location of the Ark of the Covenant.Page not found - Temple InstitutePage not found – Discover The Book of RevelationThe bible says in the last days men will be forced to take a number on their hand or forehead to purchase or buy anything. Never before has this been possible. We even insert microchips into dogs and there is already talk of inserting them into children to locate them if they are abducted.So keep spinning your wheels and focusing on the punctuation mistakes to disprove the bible but the fact remains that the overall focus of the bible is consistent, clear, and seems to be quite predictive. By the way the old argument that the bible was written after the events doesn’t seem to apply to Israel now does it.Luckily for you the Bible does say that the God of the Bible loves you regardless of your sins and wants to save you. The Bible is a book of hope and love and is inspired by God even though it comes to us through fallible man.

Base on this prophesy I have no doubt that you would try to pick apart the bible. The Bible tells us this will happen. The Bible also correctly predicts what will become of all your attempts and what you consider wisdom.And I just can’t resist this one. Look. You are actually fulfilling prophecy even as we speak. You are the proof you are looking for to support the accuracy of the Bible.If you read on in 2 peter chapter 3 you will see the Bible’s response to your question about this Generation.

I was replying to you. The fact that you can't locate evidence about the death of the apostles from sources outside the bible doesn't distract from the accuracy of the bible. You are choosing things to argue about to distract and sidestep the true meaning of the Bible. I have also just submitted some other prophecies from the Bible that applies to you. You are also fulfilling Biblical prophecy. lol!! Congratulations!!

What part is hard? It even apears that God is talking about you again. You see how the God of the Universe loves you.

Wasn't your argument earlier that the Bible couldn't be taken literally? So which point are you going to argue? is literal or not? So maybe is meant to be a metaphor for our time. Again you are focusing on one word to distract from the entire issue. Are the prophecies about Israel and the last days coming true? They sure appear to be and with uncanny, and for you probably eerie, accuracy. What it has to do with is not what you are talking about, but with you!! Even though you have spent countless hours arguing against God, he still loves you and maybe your the one person he is waiting for before the temple gets built and all these things come to pass. I was sure glad he waited on me.

[qs]LOL you are fulfilling quite a few yourself![/qd] Care to point out one. care to refute the prophecies about Israel and taking the number of the beast on your hand or forehead? Anyway who decided prophecy was thrown out the window. You are still grasping at a few straws to throw the entire bible out the window. If you think it's so outdated and of no consequence then why are you wasting your time trying to refute it? If I were as convinced as you seem to be I would be spending my time doing something else.Just a thought. Or maybe part of you still has unanswered questions that may help you.

Still avoids the prophecies of Israel!!I think even the Bible itself says that many of the stories are metephores. Jesus rarely talked literally to crowds. He would later explain what he said to his disciples. But it's the underlying principles that are literal in inerrant. And as I said the final pieces of the play are all coming into place. In addition to Isreal, the world is moving toward a one world government. Daniel talks about the kings of the earth giving their power to the antichrist. Sounds like the UN. THe stage is set. just exactly like the Bible says.

I didn't say they had yet. I said the technology is here to do it and people have even suggested implanting chips with information in the wrists of children. No other time has that technology been available. With check cards and a cashless society you could easily see how people would be forbiden to buy or sell without a chip in their hand or forehead. The technology is getting so good that in Illinois you can use an I pass and drive through the toll roads without slowing down.Remember you read it first in the Bible.