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kofh2u
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Message 65 of 95 (694061)
03-21-2013 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by NoNukes
03-21-2013 1:36 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
You claim to want the Bible to be literally true. But if you achieve this by the use of allegory, then what exactly have you accomplished?
I am NOT using allegory.
I am showing a correpondence between the story of human evolution told by the scientists and the genealogy read off the Bible.
I make only one assumption as an axiom, that the inordinately long lives attributed to what is presented as individuals really mean much longer durations, but that could not be so stated in the past because it was beyond belief in those tmes.

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kofh2u
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Message 70 of 95 (694070)
03-21-2013 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by NoNukes
03-21-2013 3:08 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
You are using an allegory in which a flood of water corresponds to something that I cannot be bothered to learn going on with Noah's nervous system, which in turn is some part of the story of man's evolution.
OH...
I assumed you were referring to our present discussion of the genealogy and the one-to-one corrspondence with the paleontology reported in the latest book on that subject.
In regard to the Flood story, I am reasoning that the Bible writer would have had no other alternative in telling the actual story we know that follows after the 22 evolutions but to use metaphor.
They woulkd have had to "liken" the population explosion Out-of-Africa to a virtual Flood of peoplke who after a total extinction of Neanderthal man would have populated the whole earth up to the mountain tops.
That the metaphor itself was an impossible report on the face of it, such an interpretation is warranted since it parallels the actual events.
This view that the Flood was metaphor was also used by the scientist who discovered the we are all related to just one man who lived 40,000 years ago when Modern man actually did migrate around the world, Out-of-Africa:
SCIENCE:
Christopher Stringer and Peter Andrews proposes that modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens 200,000-150,000 years ago only in Africa and then some of them migrated into the rest of the Old World replacing all of the Neanderthals and other late archaic Homo sapiens beginning around 100,000 years ago.
If this interpretation of the fossil record is correct, all people today share a relatively modern African ancestry. All other lines of humans that had descended from Homo erectus presumably became extinct.
From this view, the regional anatomical differences that we see among humans today are recent developments--evolving mostly in the last 40,000 years.

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kofh2u
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Message 72 of 95 (694073)
03-21-2013 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by NoNukes
03-21-2013 3:16 PM


Re: Twenty two... not so much
KOFH;
We are not interested in me at all.
Nonuke:
Wrong. You are of primary interest here.
?
You don't know anything about me except what you read in my posts.
I remind you again that the stated Hypothesis that the 22 names in the genealogy correspond to the 22 now extinct humans in our ascent Out-of-Africa.
This Hypothesis has been followed by a list of Facts that support this since Darwin first suggested such possible thing could correspond to the Bible.
What EXACTLY is it that you believe matters beyond that argument???
And, why are YOU so wacky as to think that your point of view with zero support, except your interpretation is different???

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kofh2u
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Message 73 of 95 (694074)
03-21-2013 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by NoNukes
03-21-2013 3:16 PM


Re: Twenty two... not so much
Using the Scientific Method removes any need to worry about my credibility.
Assuming you are following the process you describe in this thread, you are not using the scientific method.
?
How so?
What I see here is you want to say I am wrong because my thinking does not meet your specifications somehow... which is mutual of course.
I must conclude you are stranger to a logical and rational explantion if that explanation opposes your own views.
Since that seems to be the case, it is your argument that my hypothesis has no support because I am a weak minded thinker regardless of the list of corrsponding science events.
LOL

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kofh2u
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Message 74 of 95 (694075)
03-21-2013 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Taq
03-21-2013 3:30 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
So what happens when number 23 or 24 are found, or evidence emerges that what was once H. erectus is actually two separate species? At one time there was only 1 transitional species known. What makes you think the count will stop, or that the categories are even accurate to begin with?
What happens whenever the Facts oppose ANY hypothesis???
I am interested in how hard head you people are right now when the Facts support everything I have been saying.
The situation here and now is that the church interpretation of Genesis is wrong because of all these facts I have demonstrted, but that does not mean you have blinked an eye lid, but you remain staunchly either anti-bible or anti-evolution.
You have asked me a question you need ask YOURSELF.
"What happens now, when YOU see that the very evolution of man matches what the Bible says," if you will accept it?

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kofh2u
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Message 75 of 95 (694076)
03-21-2013 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Coyote
03-21-2013 3:13 PM


Re: Three? races of man
kofh:
This CORRESPONDS directly to the Three Racial Stock Theory of science.
coyote;
I've told you several times that science does not agree with your claim of three races.
And I have told YOU it does.
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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kofh2u
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Message 88 of 95 (694898)
03-30-2013 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Eli
03-22-2013 6:35 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
Hmmm,...
I thought I had alredy posted here before I left last week that you list contains chronospecies or duplicates that are just other names given to the same species.
When all the Homo erectus duplications above are collected together, the list reduces to 22 as I have consisytently reported here, in spite you complain that amounts to spamming.
If you are to backward to get the message, I usually refrain from posting it again.
So check out you list and resist googling to find the facts, instead, take a course in the subject or read the book I recommended.

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kofh2u
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Message 89 of 95 (694899)
03-30-2013 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by NoNukes
03-22-2013 10:18 AM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
If a 23rd is found then we will start counting Abel. Right now we are pretending that Abel is the only name that represents an individual rather than a human species. So we have a built-in fudge factor.
If even more are found, then we can revisit the criteria for counting 22.
Not sure what you men here,... but it is the same with science theory as with this theological theory.
If future discoveries require we add, change, enlarge, with draw the theory, we do so.
But Abel IS accounted for in the genealogy and the paleontology.
He was an early meat-eating ape that was attacked and disappeared early on.
Another such meated arose as Seth in the Genesis story.

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kofh2u
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Message 90 of 95 (694900)
03-30-2013 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Eli
03-22-2013 6:14 AM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
Are you bonkers? Why keep going back to these fully discredited claims. The book is not the latest. It is quite outdated as far as the subject goes.
?
2007 edition was the latest book by a qualified team of paleontlogists as far as I know.
What was later and what was different?????

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