Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread

The flood of water up to the tops of mountains is impossible.The tale is hyperbole used in a creative expression of the Literary Arts to correspond exactly to the extinction of Neanderthals, and the evolution and distribution of Modern Homo sapiens over all the world, 40 thousand years of "days and nights" ago.Edited by Admin, : Change title.

When the bible readers comes to Genesis, chapter 6, after having read about the ascent from the first appearance of man through 22 "kinds" of other men, he is told that a great singular event is to come when all mankinds will become extinct, except for one types of man.The correspondence between this statement and the factual knowledge, we, in this Age have discovered to be true, suggests the analogy with the disappearance of Neanderthal man, Modern Homo erectus, and all of the previously co-habiting species of Hominoids starting about 40 thousand years of "days and nights ago."Had the Bible writer added the temporal reference that specified the 40 millennia there could be no mistake that this was a direct statement of an event that has happened.Our ONLY postulate necessary to connect this report in Genesis withthe actual event is to understand the use of the word "day" to mean 40 "ages" that were a thousand years long.The Hebrew word used in fact has that alternatiuve meaning, and could be understood as a half day, a 24 hour day, a year, and Age, etc.So this is no stretch.Gen. 6:7 And the LORD, (the force behind the ever unfolding Reality of the Universe) said, I will destroy man (of these types and species) whom I have created (for the purpose to mentally model my image of Reality), destroy them, (of these types and species), from the face of the earth, (deeming them extinct); both (this species and kind of) man, and (his present abstract idea of) the beast (of the earth), and (his idea of) the creeping thing (of the earth), and (his idea of) the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them (in this process of evolution).The explanations bracketed directly into the context are used to support and describe the meaning intended by the Bible writers.
Clearly, the times prior to this modern age prohibited such explicit information, and is warranted by the over all comprehensiveness of the passage and the entinity of the whole of chapter 6

1) Modern Homo sapiens appeared about 100,000 -150,000 years before the extinction of the other species of man that took place 40,000 years ago.This corresponds to the story in Genesis which tells us that 100 (thousand) years before the flood began, Noah had fathered three different types of "sons."
Adding the 40,000 years to the 100,000 years corresponds with the facts: FACT:
Christopher Stringer and Peter Andrews proposes that modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens 200,000-150,000 years ago only in Africa and then some of them migrated into the rest of the Old World...2) Add to this the Three Racial Stock Theory which is implied in that three different "sons" of evolved types survived with Noah, and the analogy is very strong, indeed.Gen 5:32 And Noah, (an archaic type of Homo sapiens forebearer), was five hundred "years" old, (and the Flood will come when Noah is 600 "years" old: Gen 7:6) : and Noah begat Shem, (the Mongoloids), Ham, (the Negroids), and Japheth, (the Caucasians).3) Allowing for the "flood" that just ended @ 10,000 years ago, the three racial stocks of Ham, Jephthah, and Seth, all would have evolved 150,000 years ago as WAS THE ACTUAL CASE. FACT:
When that flood ends, the Agricultural Age began, as was also historically the case.Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:3) All people living today have evidence of hybridization with Neandertal man (minor excepts noted). This FACT is specifically mentioned in Genesis 6:4:Gen. 6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahian kinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not become extinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), came in unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, a late stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of the previous adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor, derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful) men of renown (physical strength).

WHAT???
DO YOU THINK I HAVE NO ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION????1) Who will be the judge of my answer,... just you?You don't like my assertions, why would my answer be palatable when these threads are essentially one side against the other in every case?2) You probably believe you do this site a service by keeping discussions closed through censorship the starts with a moderator, but usually, the truth is a small kernel which gradually replaces the authoritarian establishment that thought it knew it all.3) I have answered your first series of questions, pertaining to how I will defend my BELIFS and POINT of VIEW against you and your own.

yeah, yeah, yeah...
But I did that, and you then went to question me on the next level of my assertion.Did you not first ask me for some evidence that I could and would support the "Flood" as an analogy that corresponded to the mass extinction of all Hominoids except us?I list four or five supporting facts in scioence which are mentioned explicitly in Genesis.Now you want me to present my case on one of those items.Give me a break.
You ARE supposed to be sure I am not being frevilous and empty handed, but you are now asking me to convinceyou, personally, that the hybridization in Genesis definitely corresponds to what even scientists are a little foggy on, exactly.You are trying to quash the answer I gave you by debating just which species hybridized, which is a subject still open to opinion even withthe Paleontologists.Face it.
You are bias.

That there were giants mentioned who had sexual relationships with other types of hominoids is the thing that corresponds with the science that says the same thing.If science forums out law the very discussiom of genesis as an analogy/parallel to what paleontologists say then they are one sided bias and insisting from the start that Genesis can not be discussed as corresponding to what they say.If that isn;t censorship and bias and avoidance of the comparison I am suggesting what is???What I see is you making up these rules to say more than the one sentence you quoted as rule #4.Certainly there IS evidence of Homo erectus,...
And, there IS hypothesis from scientists that say hybridizations occurred,...
And there IS no way to deny that the Giants who were hominoids in Genesis reasonably could have been Erectus.

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.N.Y. Times April 25, 1999
Discovery Suggests Humans Are a Bit Neanderthal
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Neanderthals and modern humans not only coexisted for thousands of years long ago, as anthropologists have established, but now their little secret is out: they also cohabited.At least that is the interpretation being made by paleontologists who have examined the 24,500-year-old skeleton of a young boy discovered recently in a shallow grave in Portugal. Bred in the boy's bones seemed to be a genetic heritage part Neanderthal, part early modern Homo sapiens. He was a hybrid, they concluded, and the first strong physical evidence of interbreeding between the groups in Europe."This skeleton demonstrates that early modern humans and Neanderthals are not all that different," said Dr. Erik Trinkaus, a paleoanthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis. "They intermixed, interbred and produced offspring."

First, there is EVIDENCE that different species inbreed both in science and genesis.
Scientists use that evidence to claim a common descent from earlier species, and I am using that same evidence to relate a correspondence with what Genesis says.This thread concerns the whole explanation that genesis is saying things that correspond to what science says.Second, the blurred graphic does NOT say "adam," but to "Adah," who corresponds to Early Homo erectus.
The evidence of inbreeding between species supports what we read in genesis, where it states that different kinds of "humans" co-existed at the same time, and hybridized.All this discussion between you and myself demonstrates that this is a thread which others need participate in, so they can raise questions and see the enormous correspondences between what science says and genesis tells us.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Oh,... good.
That sounds reasonable.Do you also agree that all these other species disappeared in the last 40,000 years?
nd are you willing to acknowledge that all men living today carry the Y-chromosome of just one man who could correspond with this Noah whose three sons could be what is the scienice theory of Three Racial Stocks????

Yes they CAN BOTH be Homo erectus, since there were two co-existing kinds of Homo erecti.Homo ergaster
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homo ergaster
Temporal range: Pleistocene, 1.8—1.3Ma
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↓Skull KNM-ER 3733 discovered by Bernard Ngeneo in 1975 (Kenya)
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: H. ergaster [aka early Homo erectus]Homo ergaster
Groves and Mazk, 1975
Homo ergaster (also "African Homo erectus") is an extinct chronospecies of Homo that lived in eastern and southern Africa during the early Pleistocene, between 1.8 million and 1.3 million years ago.
There is still disagreement on the subject of the classification, ancestry, and progeny of H. ergaster,...
... but \[B\]it is now widely accepted (Homo ergaster) to be the direct ancestor of later hominids such as Homo heidelbergensis, Homo sapiens, and Homo neanderthalensis AND Asian Homo erectus.You seem to be in need of this thread and fail, imho, to be qualified to decide whether I know what I am talking about or not. Note again for clarity, that African Homo erectus is diferent from Asian Homo Erectus is evidenced in that the former is usually called Ergaster.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Why????
Why in the devil would I need more evidence than that which the paleontologists have dug up, to show that the ascent to modern man was through 22 kinds of links from the first Adam to appear on Earth, since my ONLY point is that the Bible says this is so.The scientist have come up with the evidence that agrees with he 22 names of creatures mentioned in the Genesis genealogy, though they have called them their own names.THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN WHAT SCIENCE SAYS TODAY AND THE BIBLE SAID IN 1362BC IS ONE-TO ONE: Book: The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans
by G.J.Sawyer, (Author)

Easy...
Science and the Bible both say that the first evolution from apes was the first fo the 22 now extinct species of humans that lead to the three racial stocks that further developed into us, the people living today.Hence, as the best guesses of Paleontogy and Theology, that would be Sahelanthropus tchadensis.Sahelanthropus tchadensis | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
Sahelanthropus tchadensis is one of the oldest known species in the human family tree. This species lived sometime between 7 and 6 million years ago in West-Central Africa (Chad).

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1) The proper spelling is Ergaster, not egaster.2) The chart identified Homo ergaster as the partner in a hybridization with the more advanced Modern Homo erectus.This sounds very very reasonable, in that these two DIFFERENT species where closely related, in fact Ergaster is often referred to a African Homo erectus, from which a more advance Modern Asian Homo erectus was derived.You seem to be having difficult with the facts as presented and perhaps are a little behind in your Paleontology, so maybe you ought stop the inquisition and just let others who may be way more knowledgeable in these things debate and inquire of me on a less bias attempt to find so picayune inconsistency in what I set forth???

OK

Rigt,...Abel does not count becay-use he had no children.
The 4 women do not count because th line of Ascent reuires that the Y-chromosome be passed down to the next evolution in each case.The women have been included as ex partners when hybridizations occurred, however, but the males that resulted from those acts are the next in the line of ascent.This is all supported by Genesis and Science, in that the males are the names found in the genealogy of Chapter 5.Here is the lineage according to this point of view: