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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But it is not the topic of the thread.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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coyote writes: Why do lefties have such a problem with that? It is not a matter of lefties as you certainly should know by now. That has been pointed out to you many times, even in this thread.
quote: It is taxation that makes gas cheap, that pays for the roads, police, fire departments; all of the things that make wealth accumulation possible. Governments get no cut. Governments take no money, accumulate no money. What you claim is simply demonstrably a falsehood all the way around.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The question is whether that is how value should be determined?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Should a society have the right to determine what areas should fall under capitalistic rules and policies and which should be outside?
Is there some reason other than greed that we must open all areas to capitalism? Why should health care, education or utilities be market driven?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There are many such examples in use all over the world and even in the US until the Reagan-Christian Right coup.
Why should healthcare be a profit center? Education? Utilities? Fire & Police departments? When the utilities in the US were run as a regulated monopoly they served several functions. They brought electricity and phone service to areas where it was not profitable to extend service. Second, since their rate structure was based on a guaranteed return on investment, their infrastructure was treated as an asset instead of a liability. Third, they provided a stable safe investment that assured millions of Americans a retirement. Fourth, it provided a stable job environment that was relatively isolated from the overall market.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Factory script, company towns and stores were not all that long ago; in fact they lasted right up through WWII.
Look at the date on the lower right coin. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: I think anyone claiming they know the outcome is wrong, but I believe in the lessons of history, that the greater the disparity between haves and have nots the greater the likelihood of unrest and rebellion. I think we're in a bad place right now regarding the distribution of wealth, but I don't know the best way to fix it. Well history has shown us that the tried and true method is bloody and messy. Revolution, disease, famine, starvation all have worked really well in the past and they are also the quickest solution. But if for some reason anyone wanted to try other means then education might work but only over time. As long as corporations are recognized in the US as individuals, as long as corporations are allowed to Lobby, I see little hope.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: jar writes: But if for some reason anyone wanted to try other means then education might work but only over time. As long as corporations are recognized in the US as individuals, as long as corporations are allowed to Lobby, I see little hope. This makes a lot of sense. Improved education of course makes sense, but about corporations, I don't know how it would be done, but I would like to see the the political influence of corporations reduced, both in legislatures and elections. --Percy Again, the answer is pretty simple; education. Stop educating kids to be productive workers; educate the kids to be productive citizens. The problem is that the US decided to reject that solution back in 1966 when they elected Reagan governor of California. Education is slow, generational, but effective. Unfortunately the US has spent the last half century or so trying to educate workers instead of citizens. It's likely too late for any hope of non-bloody solutions, but then people almost never chose the non-bloody solutions anyway.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A lot of the "wage/value" argument seems to revolve around a belief that there is only one correct answer. Of course, with each instance, each case, there are multiple correct answers that depend on who is setting the value.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Aren't you aware that for every government employee there are several taxpayers supporting their salaries and benefits--and that by definition government is a drain on the economy rather than a benefit? No, I am not aware of that nor have I ever seen any evidence that that was fact.
I'll make it very clear for you: more productive workers will benefit everyone, while more government parasites are a drain on the economy. Again, who are the parasites?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, I would agree that the TSA and War on Drugs are pretty much a stupid idea BUT drain? Do they not spend money in the economy, pay taxes?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I'm sure there are alternatives to most everything.
BUT, TSA in particular seems to be just another way for private companies to divert funds from the government to private industry. If we are going to ever save the US we need to stop the influence of business into government. We need to stop lobbying, make sure business cannot fund political campaigns, do what I posted way back in Message 49. Fire politicians that oppose increasing taxes in a progressive manor. Fire politicians that oppose revising the inheritance taxes to avoid the creation of a wealthied class. Fire politicians that oppose limiting corporate activities in elections, legislation or tax expenditures. Fire politicians that oppose banning corporate advocacy.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I do use the quote function.
TSA spent money on things. That money went into the economy. All governmental expenditures go into the economy EXCEPT were private industry siphons off profits that are not returned to the economy. Today, private industry lobbying, corruption and influence plays a big part in diverting public funds into private coffers. If we wish to improve the US wealth distribution several first steps should be to restrict, control and limit the influence of private industry in lobbying, bribing, entertaining and influencing legislation, governmental expenditures, laws or taxation.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How much of the one billion dollars that they spent on "gathering intelligence" do you think went into the economy? Most of it. The only part that did not go into the economy would be the part that private enterprise took as profits and has not spent.
Don't some governmental expenditures go into foreign economies? Some but no where near as much as if we had reasonable and educated politicians. The US is not isolated from the rest of the world.
How are profits not returned to the economy? Do you mean like Scrooge McDuck style: Exactly. Just like Scrooge McDuck. That is a great example of the inequity of wealth distribution in the US today.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, I believe that you actually believe that.
However the reality is quite different. The US is a great example of Scrooge McDucks and may who are in total denial of that fact. But again, you offer nothing but bumper sticker sloganism as seems to always be the case.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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