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Author Topic:   Is needing or wanting to worship a God a human defect or benefit?
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 27 (703090)
07-15-2013 11:03 AM


Is needing or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
Gods have no needs or wants that man can assuage. Gods are said to be so high above us that for any God to have such a need would be like man craving the adoration of germs.
I see us as just as foolish as germs and the creatures shown in this clip as we act the same way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4a_uwyY_H4
I can see where at one time it would have been profitable to bend the knee to King/Gods as in the original archetype city states, as used in the original Eden myth written by the Jews, but not today.
That myth I think was written from the following reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9cvYB7Tes
Our present secular systems of governance have bested the Gods in the moral and legal senses and only the really right wing theists would want to live under the laws of the old barbaric Gods.
I am not an atheist and seek God to appease what I recognize as my spiritual side. But not to bend the knee or adore; just to improve any defect in my thinking; if I have one.
I know that there are way more followers out there than leaders but cannot fathom why someone would want to lower themselves to adore even a God unless it is strictly as a self-serving action that we hope God will recognize and reward.
That is hardly being good for goodness sake. God would know and send such hypocrites to hell. Which scriptures say is where the vast majority of us will end up regardless.
That means that you, even if you pray daily and hard, are likely going to hell along with most of those you know. In a sense, you should feel sorry for those few who make it to heaven as they must spend eternity watching their loved ones in purposeless torture. That would drive any moral person insane.
Gods have no needs or wants and has no rewards to give in exchange for what Gods have no need or want of.
The Godhead I know certainly disavows such a need or want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkT1-N0VqUc
Why then, if you are a believer, do you need or want to worship a God if not for the reward you think it will bring you?
Is your need to adore a God a defect or benefit?
Regards
DL
Edited by Admin, : Fix title: "worshiping" => "worship"

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Message 7 of 27 (703179)
07-16-2013 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
07-15-2013 12:50 PM


Re: A God
Thugpreacha
God.
Although I cannot see how God can be God and the Word can be God and they can be with each other.
Intelligent people know that God grew into being the Word and that the Trinity concept is garbage forced down Christianity's throat by Constantine when he bought the Church.
That groth process is explained well by bishop Spong.
Regards
DL
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Message 8 of 27 (703182)
07-16-2013 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Stile
07-15-2013 1:21 PM


Re: A whimsical defect
Stile
Thanks for this.
You are correct about the hypocrisy of believers who do not really believe.
This presentation also agrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY
Regards
DL

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Message 9 of 27 (703185)
07-16-2013 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by NoNukes
07-15-2013 6:31 PM


NoNukes
Yahweh is said to be Omni whatever you can think of. All powerful all knowing and on and on.
What does such a God have a need of me or you falling to our knees in adoration to assuage?
Remember that he was around for millennia without us to stroke his Omni ego.
Regards
DL

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Message 11 of 27 (703188)
07-16-2013 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
07-15-2013 10:40 PM


Re: as a Christian believer
jar
Are you saying that those who do not believe still go to heaven?
Atheists as well?
If so, why do believers twist their minds into pretzels with all that fantasy, miracles and magic?
Also, why do they/you force themselves to embrace barbaric human sacrifice of Jesus and the notion that it is good to profit from the punishment of an innocent man instead of the guilty?
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 27 (703436)
07-21-2013 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by New Cat's Eye
07-16-2013 12:46 PM


Catholic Scientist
I am not sure what you mean. If God is a jealous God, how does that force you and I to our knees?
He can be whatever he likes and that forces nothing onto me.
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 27 (703437)
07-21-2013 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by NoNukes
07-16-2013 1:06 PM


NoNukes
How can you know if I am God or not?
From your other post.
"and the notion good to profit from the punishment of an innocent man instead of the guilty?"
I was speaking of God having his innocent son punished/sacrificed instead of demanding the punishment of the guilty.
We all profit from punishing the guilty, not from punishing the innocent.
An incarcerated murderer, for instance, serves us all.
Regards
DL
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Message 20 of 27 (703438)
07-21-2013 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by jar
07-16-2013 1:13 PM


Re: as a Christian believer
Jar
Give my friend.
Tell us how an immortal God can sacrifice his eternal life wit a sacrifice to himself.
Regards
DL

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Message 21 of 27 (703439)
07-21-2013 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by ringo
07-16-2013 2:36 PM


Thanks Ringo
I will have to re-read the bible to see if I can find some of God's good points.
I know of many bad ones and could use a link or 2 to a few of God's non-murderous good deeds.
Regards
DL

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Message 22 of 27 (703440)
07-21-2013 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
07-18-2013 11:00 PM


Re: I AM
Thugpreacha
Aren't you your own master and God?
If not, who is?
Regards
DL

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