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Author Topic:   Is needing or wanting to worship a God a human defect or benefit?
NoNukes
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Message 5 of 27 (703108)
07-15-2013 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
07-15-2013 11:03 AM


Gods have no needs or wants that a man can assuage
Perhaps your argument fails at this first premise. This statement seems to be false for most of the mythological gods I can think of off the top of my head. In fact when I encounter the rare exception with no earthly wants or cares, they stand out.
Your premise is certainly not true regarding Yahweh, if He is as depicted in the Bible.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 12 of 27 (703190)
07-16-2013 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Greatest I am
07-16-2013 12:43 PM


What does such a God have a need of me or you falling to our knees in adoration to assuage?
Your question is without a point. Regardless of your personal intuition that an omnipotent, eternal, all-knowing being would not need puny humans, people who worship the God of the Bible accept that Yahweh does indeed desire the company of humans and does care what they do and what's in their hearts. The Bible, particularly the Old Testament attributes lots of fairly human-like qualities to God, and the God with those traits is the one Christians worship. They don't worship the unfeeling stone you picture God to be.
Remember that he was around for millennia without us to stroke his Omni ego.
Whatever. Apparently the billions of years that it takes to create a universe with evolved, intelligent people in it does not have the same effect on God that you anticipate it would have on you. No big deal. You aren't God.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : reword re: human qualities

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 13 of 27 (703192)
07-16-2013 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Greatest I am
07-16-2013 12:49 PM


Re: as a Christian believer
If so, why do believers twist their minds into pretzels with all that fantasy, miracles and magic?
Not everyone believes the same thing jar believes.
and the notion good to profit from the punishment of an innocent man instead of the guilty?
This seems to be a false dichotomy. What profit comes from punishment of the guilty? How should that help me with my own issues?
I know that my inquiry does not address the point of your question, but I find the idea of salvation from punishing from the guilty quite odd.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 27 (703448)
07-22-2013 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Greatest I am
07-21-2013 8:12 PM


An incarcerated murderer, for instance, serves us all.
You don't profit in the way needed to address your own issues which is what Jesus sacrifice addresses.
An incarcerated murder does not address the issue with you stealing from your brother after a commandment not to do so. And your own incarceration for sinning against God would be imprisonment in a burning pit for all eternity according to those who believe that. Presumably you want to avoid your own punishment. It turns out though that most people probably cannot avoid their due because the way out is not so easy.
How can you know if I am God or not?
Perhaps you are Set the serpent?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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