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Author Topic:   Is needing or wanting to worship a God a human defect or benefit?
jar
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Message 6 of 27 (703153)
07-15-2013 10:40 PM


as a Christian believer
Why then, if you are a believer, do you need or want to worship a God if not for the reward you think it will bring you?
I expect to receive nothing more than I would if I were not a believer.
Is your need to adore a God a defect or benefit?
Why would anyone know or care?
Yet I believe there is a God and that that God has charged me to behave in certain ways.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 14 of 27 (703193)
07-16-2013 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Greatest I am
07-16-2013 12:49 PM


Re: as a Christian believer
Are you saying that those who do not believe still go to heaven?
Atheists as well?
Absolutely.
I expect there will be far more Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostic, Satanists, Hindus, Taoists, Animists, Jews, Muslims and followers of the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse and Druid deities, Crow and Raven, Eagle and Coyote than Christians in heaven.
For most of the Christians that do happen to make it into heaven I expect there will some form of "Humanity 101" course that should help educate them about the real Gospel.
If so, why do believers twist their minds into pretzels with all that fantasy, miracles and magic?
Not sure exactly what you are asking there. These are the days of miracle and wonder, this is the long distance call...
Also, why do they/you force themselves to embrace barbaric human sacrifice of Jesus and the notion that it is good to profit from the punishment of an innocent man instead of the guilty?
That's a great question. Such a believe makes that God look pretty venial and stupid, doesn't it?
Fortunately I don't embrace human sacrifice or the notion that it is good to profit from punishing the innocent rather than the guilty.
Not sure if it would be on topic here and I've certainly covered my beliefs here at EvC but if you want, I'd be happy to try to explain my position on the sacrifice yet again.
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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 23 of 27 (703442)
07-21-2013 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Greatest I am
07-21-2013 8:21 PM


Re: as a Christian believer
This may go slow but i want to try to make sure with me all the way.
First, have I said anything about "an immortal God can sacrifice his eternal life wit a sacrifice to himself" other than...
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Also, why do they/you force themselves to embrace barbaric human sacrifice of Jesus and the notion that it is good to profit from the punishment of an innocent man instead of the guilty?
That's a great question. Such a believe makes that God look pretty venial and stupid, doesn't it?
Fortunately I don't embrace human sacrifice or the notion that it is good to profit from punishing the innocent rather than the guilty.
Jesus was born. All things born die. Jesus was going to die regardless of anything else.
Crucifixion was not all that unique, in fact, even the Bible mentions two others crucified the same day at the same place.
So Jesus death by crucifixion wasn't all that special, and, as you mentioned, if Jesus had been god at that time it would have been nothing more than a fraud and con job anyway.
Still with me?

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