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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Brian writes:
quote: Excuse me? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Brian responds to me:
quote: No, Brian. I am not referring to a claim that my avatar is best. I am referring to what you specifically said.
that itty bitty gay knight Excuse me? I seem to recall an admonishment to AZ about "yid" and "nig." "Gay"? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Rei,
quote: Because calling someone "gay" as an insult is inappropriate. It implies that there is something wrong with being gay. Please explain to me how calling someone a "nigger" in an attempt to insult him is offensive but calling someone "gay" in an attempt to insult him is not? Brian,
quote: What is offensive about nigger/kike/wop/spic/beaner/wetback/faggot/dyke? Oh, I don't know...something about the implication that there is something wrong with being gay. Tell us, Brian, why did you bring it up?
quote: Acronym? Oh, do tell me what "gay" stands for. Last one I had heard was "Got AIDS Yet?"
quote: There is a difference between describing and insulting. Surely you're not implying that the picture in the avatar has sex only with other pictures, are you? That the picture is a scene of two people of the same sex being romantic? Just what was the point of calling it "gay"? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Rei,
What makes you think I'm not gay? Oh, I've been very careful about keeping my sexuality out of discussions because, after all, it is irrelevant. Whether or not I am gay has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments.
quote: Have you ever played any fantasy role-playing games? That picture looks like it got scanned off of some D&D book. There's a reason that the male knights are dressed to the eyebrows in armor while the female warriors seem never to be able to scrape together enough cash to afford something more than a couple of solid metal pasties and a chain loincloth...and the fact that she's at least a C cup. And it isn't to appeal to lesbians.
quote: Right...Brian wasn't insulting AZ. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
crashfrog responds to me:
quote: Right...because she's got a smile on her face...wait...she's scowling...well, she's dancing merrily around...wait...she's drawn a bow-string...well, there's ruffles and intense colors...no, it's armor. Um, what makes that picture an example of "being happy" or "well-festooned"?
quote: Since when is the context of an armored knight preparing to kill somebody something that we would call "happily excited, merry, keenly alive and exuberant, having or inducing high spirits, bright, lively brilliant in color, given to social pleasures, licentious"? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
crashfrog responds to me:
quote: Please tell me we're having a sarcastic exchange and not that you actually believe this.... ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
No, AdminNosy, this has nothing to do with me being a mathematician.
It simply has to do with homophobia. Had Brian said, "itty bitty Jew knight," would we be having this conversation or would we all know that such were an anti-Semitic comment? Now, we know that MrHambre has difficulty forming coherent thoughts without insulting people, so I don't really care what he calls me. He knows his statements are inappropriate and does so consciously and deliberately. The difficulty seems to be that Brian doesn't seem to think denigrating gay people is problematic. I'm still waiting to find out what the point was in calling the avatar "gay." Brian claims it was an acronym. Really? What does it stand for? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Brian responds to me:
First, a clarification. Brian quotes me as saying:
Excuse me? I seem to recall an admonishment to AZ about "yid" and "nig." "Gay"? I see those words as offensive. I did not say that last.
quote: (*sigh*) Logical error: Equivocation. The use of the word "gay" as a descriptor is not the same use of the word "gay" as an insult. You do understand the difference between saying, "I am gay," and, "That's so gay," yes? In the former, there is no indication that there is something wrong with being gay. In the latter, that's the point: There is something wrong with being gay. The problem is not the word in and of itself. It's the usage. Insulting people by calling them "gay" indicates that one thinks that there is something wrong with being gay. Take, for example, the word "crap." It can be a reference to excrement or it can be a reference to a dice game. The word, in and of itself, isn't problematic. The context in which it is used, however, determines the intent. And by the way...what makes you think I'm not gay.
quote: But what was the point in calling it a "gay" knight? The last time I asked you that, you said it was an acronym. What is this acronym?
quote: Then what was the point in calling it a "gay" knight?
quote: Don't be silly. Surely you're not saying that because people can let insults roll off their back that there wasn't an insult in the first place? That because people don't let it get to them that the person doing the obnoxious behaviour wasn't being obnoxious?
quote: What makes you think I'm not gay? Besides, you're committing the same logical error of equivocation. The problem isn't the word. It's the usage. "I am gay" does not mean the same thing as "That's so gay!"
quote:quote: Ri-i-i-i-ight! You really expect us to believe that? Where's the other woman?
quote: Ri-i-i-i-ight! You really expect us to believe that? Hint: I'm not saying you don't do that. I'm questioning whether or not you really expect anybody to believe that.
quote: Could be...surely you're not saying that a person who is all for equality under the law couldn't possibly still want to use his personal squick factor without being called on it.
quote: And you know that because of what, precisely? Just how many Asian archer-women do you know who wear Valkyrie-style helmets?
quote:quote: Depends on how they said it. If they said it out of curiosity or because they just happened to think so, who cares? But if they said it out of some concept that there was something wrong with being gay, then I would be offended...not because I think there's something wrong with being gay but because I'm offended by bigotry. You're committing the same logical error of equivocation. The problem isn't the word. It's the usage. But you haven't answered my question: What makes you think I'm not gay?
quote: And what, precisely, is "gay" about it?
quote: Ri-i-i-i-ight. Where's the other woman in the picture?
quote: "Choice"? Excuse me? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Rei responds to me:
quote: Ri-i-i-i-ight. Because "dyke" and "fag" have never been used as insults. Hint: I'm aware of the concept of "in-group" lexicons and "out-group" lexicons and how some people can use certain words without a problem that others cannot. Go see a black stand-up comedian playing to a predominantly black audience, and often you'll hear "nigger" flying around left and right and nobody is getting upset. Everybody understands the context and there is no animosity. Change the context though, and even a black person can't say it without being problematic. You can't seriously be saying that "dyke" and "fag" have no negative connotations. Do I really need to show you the studies that "fag" is one of the most commonly heard taunts among school-aged children? But don't take my word for it:
Pennsylvania Newspaper Slams "Fag Forest" By repeatedly using the slur "fag" in both reporting and editorializing on the story, the Citizens' Voice obfuscates this reality. That's from a gay news site, "Gay Today." They seem to have an issue with it. And then there's this from GLAAD:Power 105.1 FM New York:
Power 105.1 FM in New York refused to stop using anti-gay rhetoric on-air during a popular morning drive-time show. After GLAAD's initial outreach to the station, the deejays burst into a spontaneous "fag song" which can be heard here. And this NY Post Ignores Power of Words:
After New York City Police Department (NYPD) Chaplain William Kalaidjian used the word "fag" to describe openly gay NYC Assistant District Attorney Thomas Hickey in an awards presentation on April 30, and then resigned, the usually anti-gay New York Post, true to form, came to his defense. But that's just specific actions against individuals. Here's GLAAD's reference guide they hand out to the media (Defamatory Language to Avoid):
"fag," "faggot," "dyke," "homo," "queen," "she-male," "he-she," "tranny" and similar epithets. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to hate words for other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote which reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say "the person used an obscene or profane word for a lesbian, gay man or transgender person." Are you telling me that GLAAD isn't representative of any gay people? And let's not forget Dick Armey's infamous "Barney Fag" comment referring to fellow Congressman, Barney Frank, who is openly gay. Surely you aren't saying that there was no malice in that comment, are you? So, since it's been shown that there are gay people who do have a problem with "dyke" and "fag," we're back to my original question: What makes you think I'm not gay?
quote: Yes, I know. The point still remains. She's a character from a fantasy picture. She most likely was not drawn to appeal to lesbians but rather to straight, teenaged boys.
quote: Because when they are usually used, they are not meant kindly. Not even among gay people. Oh, the leading of the Pride parade by Dykes on Bikes receives rounds of applause, but listen to those club kids once they make it back to the circuit parties that night and listen to how they use "dyke"...not nearly as respectful as one could even hope. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
crashfrog responds to me:
quote: Um, since you never seem to use that term in any other way, to find you claiming that you really meant "festive" rings hollow. I just did a search for your name and the word "gay" and the result was a litany of posts going all the way back to March of this year and not once did you use "gay" to mean anything except homosexual.
quote: Because except for the song, "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas," nobody under the age of 50 uses the word "gay" except to refer to sexual orientation, really. And sure enough, Brian has agreed...he did mean sexual orientation. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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