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Topic: What has evolution theory produced?
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John Paul
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Message 13 of 32 (73833)
12-17-2003 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by Coragyps 12-12-2003 11:17 AM
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Coragyps: Without evolutionary principles in biology, we wouldn't have working flu vaccines, ways to combat antibiotic-resistant bacteria, or any sort of useful treatment for AIDS. John Paul: That's plain nonsense. Not one of the above mentioned has anything to do with believing all of life's diversity owes its collective common ancestry to some unknown population(s) of single-celkled organisms that just happened to have the ability to self-replicate. All of the firmly fit into the Creation theory of biological evolution.
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John Paul
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Message 14 of 32 (73835)
12-17-2003 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by NosyNed 12-12-2003 3:20 PM
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Re: micro, macro again?
That's a lie NosyNed. Educated Creationists have known about speciation for over 200 years. The reference has been provided. This was BEFORE Darwin. Please stop misrepresenting Creationists.
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John Paul
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Message 15 of 32 (73838)
12-17-2003 5:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by MrHambre 12-12-2003 3:03 PM
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Re: Not This Again
Actually MrHambre, is we Creationists say the alleged great transformations aren't science- they were never observed and can't be objectively tested, repeated or verified. The alleged great transformations are a belief.
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John Paul
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Message 18 of 32 (73895)
12-17-2003 8:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by JonF 12-17-2003 6:38 PM
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Re: micro, macro again?
Easy to explain JonF. The definition of species is ambiguous at best. Lions & tigers are allegedly different species however they can breed and produce fertile offspring. IOW what you may call speciation Creationists would call variation. It is basically a semantics issue. Here is the reference on Linne- again: In his early years, Linnaeus believed that the species was not only real, but unchangeable -- as he wrote, Unitas in omni specie ordinem ducit (The invariability of species is the condition for order [in nature]). But Linnaeus observed how different species of plant might hybridize, to create forms which looked like new species. He abandoned the concept that species were fixed and invariable, and suggested that some -- perhaps most -- species in a genus might have arisen after the creation of the world, through hybridization. In his attempts to grow foreign plants in Sweden, Linnaeus also theorized that plant species might be altered through the process of acclimitization. Towards the end of his life, Linnaeus investigated what he thought were cases of crosses between genera, and suggested that, perhaps, new genera might also arise through hybridization. Carl Linnaeus
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John Paul
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Message 19 of 32 (73896)
12-17-2003 8:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by NosyNed 12-17-2003 6:43 PM
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Re: What is a Creationist
Darwin may have been a creationist at one time. However theories on evolution have been around for thousands of years.
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John Paul
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Message 21 of 32 (73902)
12-17-2003 9:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog 12-17-2003 9:05 PM
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crashfrog: That may be. But it's only the modern theory that is of importance because that's the theory supported by observation and fossil evidence. John Paul: LOL! There isn't any observational evidence that supports the ToE. The fossil record only supports it if you first assume it. one (of many) example: No one observed a procaryote evolve into a eucaryote. It can't be tested, repeated or verified. There is nothing in the fossil record to support it.
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John Paul
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Message 24 of 32 (73939)
12-17-2003 11:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog 12-17-2003 9:10 PM
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Some humans are sterile- does that make them a different species? Your claim is only an assertion - no one can say we can't have a breeding population of ligers.
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John Paul
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Message 25 of 32 (73941)
12-17-2003 11:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Rei 12-17-2003 9:12 PM
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Slime molds, as you have been told, are just aggregates of the same type of single-celled organism. They are not indicative of a metazoan.
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