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Author Topic:   Marxism vs Socialism vs Communism vs Totalitarianisms
jar
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Message 10 of 45 (746412)
01-06-2015 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
01-06-2015 2:00 PM


Re: Would Jesus support capitalism or communism?
Well according to the Bible Jesus lived in a communistic community but was unable to abide by the rules and so used luxuries for himself instead of the poor. The account is found in Matthew, Mark and John. Luke has a somewhat different version of the story.
But communism and gun ownership are totally unrelated so I have no idea how the two concepts ever got conflated.
From the Bible stories it seem Jesus would have espoused Communism over Capitalism but would likely not have the moral capability to follow through.

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jar
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Message 15 of 45 (746436)
01-06-2015 7:44 PM


Leon Trotsky
Too often it seems that opposition to communism is based not on reality or even the writings of those who developed the concept and just like the support for "Biblical Christianity" not what is actually written but rather fantasies.
One of the most prolific of the Communist philosophy was Leon Trotsky and fortunately much of what he wrote are available in ebook format and by date.
His writings are particularly important since they serve as clear indicators of the differences between Communism and Stalinism.

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jar
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Message 20 of 45 (746508)
01-07-2015 12:55 PM
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01-07-2015 12:32 PM


Re: For Him or Against Him?
I don't preach anything Phat, just report what the authors of the New Testament stories wrote.
It has absolutely nothing to do with being for or against anyone but rather honestly reporting what was actually written.
The Bible does support totalitarianism. That is simply a fact.
Or should I do like the apologists and make up shit that is not in the story to make it mean something other than what was written?
Have you ever actually read the Bible Phat?

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jar
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Message 25 of 45 (746709)
01-09-2015 11:26 AM
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01-09-2015 11:20 AM


Re: For Him or Against Him?
Phat writes:
Fair enough. Perhaps each of us here--on this forum---should ask ourselves if we want to report everything or only report what it is we want others to read?
Personally, I report on Jesus divinity, whereas you report on his humanity...thus we differ.
Not quite Phat; I simply report what the Bible says.

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jar
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Message 29 of 45 (746752)
01-09-2015 1:38 PM
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01-09-2015 1:25 PM


Re: For Him or Against Him?
Phat writes:
and I would argue that you demean Jesus through your selective reports
We humans cannot be better than He is even if we might behave better than he did while human...which is quite frankly a difficult charge in and of itself. It was not His fault that the alabaster oil was "wasted" on him.
You say He was a failed Messiah because you have the same spirit of stupor in your thinking that the Jews themselves have to this day.
You claim to be a Creedal Christian. Why cant you read beyond the fact that he was made man?
HUH? Why can't we be better than Jesus was?
What excuse did Jesus give in the story?
I say Jesus is a failed messiah (not was a failed messiah) because none of the requirements of being a messiah, Jewish or Christian, have been fulfilled.
Phat writes:
Who Is Jesus today?
I have no idea what that even means or how that could even be answered by anyone.
What does any of this have to do with the topic beyond what I pointed out; that Jesus lived in a Communistic society and yet did not live by the economic system instead choosing his personal comfort over the communal needs.

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