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Topic: A measured look at a difficult situation
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 157 of 289 (748091)
01-22-2015 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
01-22-2015 4:30 PM
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Re: Forget the Inquisitions
Told yah
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 163 of 289 (748097)
01-22-2015 5:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Faith
01-22-2015 5:00 PM
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Re: Numbers of martyrs of Rome
But Llorente does not support the figure of millions. From your source.
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Llorente had access to the records of the Spanish Inquisition. Overall, Llorente in his ―A
Critical History of the Inquisition of Spain,‖ 1823, gave a much smaller figure. He
calculated that more than 300,000 suffered persecution in Spain, of whom 31,912 died in
the flames.
Serious historians dismiss even this figure as ridiculously high.
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Llorente, the ex-Secretary of the Holy Office who wrote a bitterly antagonistic account of it at the beginning of the 19th century, based on manuscript material which is no longer extant, states that all told, from its foundation down to 1808, the total number of heretics burned in person in Spain alone totalled 31,912 These figures are so enormous as to seem highly suspicious.
THe Spanish Inquisition, Cecil Roth page 123 The Spanish Inquisition - Cecil Roth - Google Books
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came up with the incredible figures of 31,912 relaxations in person, 17,659 relaxations in effigy, and 291,450 penitents, a grand total of 341,021 victims. All the historical evidence has shown this greatly exaggerated figure to be without any foundation.
The Spanish Inquisition, Henry Kamen page 280
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Llorente put the total at nearly 32,000 [burned in person], but his method of calculation is fantastic and ridiculous.
The Spanish Inquisition A.S. Turberville page 112 Seems no one in historical field trust Llorente. He
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 167 of 289 (748116)
01-22-2015 11:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
01-22-2015 6:02 PM
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Re: Numbers of martyrs of Rome
WTF? I quoted 3. I can find lots more. You have not referenced any historians.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 164 by Faith, posted 01-22-2015 6:02 PM | | Faith has replied |
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 168 of 289 (748117)
01-22-2015 11:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
01-22-2015 8:11 PM
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Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
And again everyone will tell you your simplistic interpretations do not represent the reality. Have you read anything anyone has posted? Or did you read them and you have decided it is all Jesuit propaganda?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 192 of 289 (748312)
01-24-2015 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Faith
01-24-2015 1:52 PM
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Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
OK, I'll take it all back then.
Now was admitting you are wrong that hard?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 195 of 289 (748406)
01-25-2015 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
01-25-2015 10:33 AM
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Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
Show evidence it is nonsense and someone may be willing to listen. If you can not why do you even post anything.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 199 of 289 (748548)
01-26-2015 5:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
01-26-2015 12:18 PM
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Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
The victims were unarmed, the perps undressed them and herded them out to die.
Source?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 201 of 289 (748559)
01-26-2015 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by Faith
01-26-2015 7:54 PM
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Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
Your assertion post the evidence please.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 237 of 289 (748919)
01-31-2015 9:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
01-30-2015 10:56 PM
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Chris Pinto is a liar for Jesus, with seemingly no research of critical thinking skills. So say other Christians. The Pintonian Inquisition: Scholarship or McCarthyism? | Christian Research Network
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 236 by Faith, posted 01-30-2015 10:56 PM | | Faith has replied |
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 257 of 289 (749300)
02-03-2015 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by NoNukes
02-03-2015 3:44 PM
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Can't wait to see Faiths sources
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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