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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So, just to check: if a Christian is "required to participate" in a ceremony involving worshiping false gods with burnt offerings and the adoration of heathen idols, that's not a problem?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't know if you're nuts or just malicious as usual, but if I issue a license for a GAY MARRIAGE, I am in tacit agreement that gay marriage is acceptable, which I cannot allow because the Bible says it's a violation of God's law. In this case I am not participating in the ceremony itself or having anything to do with the ceremony, I'm just giving a license for a marriage that is illegitimate according to the Bible. But if I issue a license for a marriage of Hindus, or Mormons, or apostate Anglicans, or Jehovah's Witnesses or Shintoists or Buddhists or Catholics or atheists, etc etc etc, as long as the license is for one man and one woman there is no problem. Excuse me but you are a blithering *****. It was a yes-or-no question. Would you like to take another run at it? If a Christian is "required to participate" in a ceremony involving worshiping false gods with burnt offerings and the adoration of heathen idols, that's not a problem?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Interesting. I'm surprised I didn't anticipate her doing this. I have to suppose she will be arrested ... "Arrested"? Sacked, surely? I'm fairly sure that that's what happens when you refuse to do the job you're paid for.
God has no problem with this woman's decision. I'm always happy when you give us up-to-date information on what God's thinking. Has there been any change in his position on usury?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Why isn't there some recognition of the fact that she had the job before the law came down? That's some kind of fraud or entrapment I would think, something that ought to be prosecuted in itself. That's just weird. "Fraud or entrapment"? Why not arson, champerty, and uttering counterfeit money?
We choose God over the worship of Caesar and get eaten by lions. Though not you personally. And now someone else who isn't you faces something even worse than lions. She's being required to do the job she's paid to do. This could only happen to a Christian. Atheists don't even have job descriptions, they just turn up to work and do whatever.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Imagine if a government clerk who was a Quaker started refusing to issue gun licenses as a matter of conscience ... you'd soon see how much the religious right gives a damn about her "religious freedom" to not do her job.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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In breaking news, government clerk Muhammad bin Ahmed has refused to issue a zoning permit for a Christian church. "Legally, their papers are all in order", he explained "But Allah knows a higher law. I cannot be required to participate in the grave sin of shirk, against my sincerely held religious belief that I don't want to do my job", adding "Where's my paycheck?"
It is expected that conservative Christians will come out in his support, since they are of course people of principle and not just a bunch of homophobes looking for an excuse.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I really don't know what point you are trying to make. My point is very simple: if ANY human law, doesn't matter what its source, contradicts God, a Christian must disobey that law. Well ... a Quaker doesn't have to join the army and then refuse to fight, so as to actively disobey human law in favor of what he considers God's law. He can just not join the army. If instead he joins the army and demands that he get the pay and the housing allowance and the uniform and the pension but shouldn't be expected to fight ... well, what would you think of that? Does that make him a brave martyr sticking up for his principles or just an asshole?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Even in the earliest examples of Christian martyrdom, they go out of their way to create the situation. ... not quite sure why you say that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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But if you look very closely at the background of that picture, there are lions.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
HOWEVER, gay marriage isn't just a sin against a specific law of God, it's a rewriting of God's law, a complete alteration of God's ordinance of marriage. In the other cases we know the law and we know the sin against it. In this case we're changing the law to obscure the whole category of sin. It goes with redefining homosexuality as not a sin but a normal sexual variation. And this will lead to worse things: people working on Saturday, for example, without being stoned to death for it. The open practice of usury. One shudders to think.
If you rewrote the Ten Commandments to say Adultery is Permitted, Stealing is Permitted, Murder is Permitted, that's more like what is implied in this new law of Gay Marriage though it's still not quite a perfect definition. The law does say that adultery is permitted. Also not honoring your father and mother, the worship of false gods, the ownership of idols, taking the Lord's name in vain and working on Saturday, and you can covet what you like. It's already happened. And Christians make about as big a fuss over that as they did with that massive campaign to abolish usury which we all have heard so much about.
Gay marriage is not just a garden-variety sin, as I keep trying to say. It's not the sin of divorce or the sin of fornication or cohabitation without marriage. Ah yes, "garden-variety sins". While this term sees its fullest theological development in St. Augustine's treatise, Pfft, Adultery Ain't So Bad, the concept it has its origins in St. Paul's Epistle To Them There Faggots:
For even among those who love the LORD, even my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, there is fornication, and adultery, and breaking of the divine commandments with unholy acts.
And truly I say unto you, this is no biggie. I mean, who really careth about that stuff, be honest? It's not like being one of them there faggots. Or lezzers. Ew.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Hey, did you hear about the atheist mailman who refuses to deliver Christmas cards?
NO, ME NEITHER.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The Bible is full of sinners and although it doesn't always identify a sin as a sin, just telling us what this or that person did, it's not hard to figure it out from many other passages. Yeah, it's too much to expect the Bible to just come out and tell us what's right and what's wrong. Hey, does that sound like the sort of thing God would do? Nuh-uh. But if we read between the lines ... Only trouble is, people reading between the lines have ended up with even more diverse ideas than people just reading the text.
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