Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

Hi Admin, Straggler's words: "He exist because we do".Straggler is saying if we did not exist the Supernatural power would not exist.The problem with that is that the supernatural power would exist whether we existed or not. We just would not be here to know anything about it.Your watch makers only makes watches. The supernatural power created the entire universe. Not just mankind, which makes the comparison no comparison at all. There is just as much physical evidence supporting the supernatural power as there is for two branes bumping together in non existence and starting the universe to exist. Or and instanton popping into existence in non existence and creating the universe.

Hi Tangle, No kidding.

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Full Definition of SUPERNATURAL. 1. : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil. 2. a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature.

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Supernatural Definition & Meaning - Merriam-WebsterFor two branes to bump together and cause the universe to begin to exist out of non existence would be a supernatural event.You can use the circular reasoning that the branes existed in the universe and banged together and caused the universe to begin to exist. But for that to happen the universe had to already exist.For the Hartley/Hawking instanton to pop into existence in non existence and create our present universe would be a supernatural event.You could make the same circular reasoning argument about the instanton popping into existence inside the universe and creating the universe. But for that to happen the universe had to already exist.The same goes for the God particle, gravitons/gravity or any other such hypothesis.I think all of these would be in the realm of philosophy.

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the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

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Google In Message 244 I asked Straggler:

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What do you think a supernatural power would be like?

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This was not the first time I had asked this question just the latest.So far there has been nothing but a supernatural power proposed as the cause of the beginning to exist of the universe.God Bless,

Hi Admin, I have been trying to answer the question asked in the OP.

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Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

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Why do you think that way?

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I was very specific and have been throughout my posts that I believe in a supernatural power which I call God. Anyone else is allowed to call that supernatural power anything they desire.I have been very specific as to why I think the way I do.Since this is 'Faith and Belief' I see nothing wrong with any argument about what I believe or why I believe it.In Message 46 I said:

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Now whatever caused the universe to have a beginning to exist from an absence of anything would be a supernatural power.

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My conclusions in my very first post in this tread was that whatever caused the universe to have a beginning to exist literally from non existence would be a supernatural power.There has been no argumentation or alternative cause presented to cause me to change my mind.God Bless,

Hi Tangle, First I did not ask what a supernatural power would look like.
I did ask "What do you think a supernatural power would be like?"I am not even sure we could see a supernatural power.
But I believe we could have an idea what the attributes of such a supernatural power would possess. What part of
"A supernatural power would not require a creation as that supernatural power would have all power." Message 277
Do you not understand?God Bless,

Hi,In Message 290Admin said we had been discussing the origin of God as a subtopic.There is no argument for the origin of God.
He either exists or He does not exist.Theology does not argue the origin of God. It states His existence.
Neither do I argue the origin of God. I accept His Word.Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
The Hebrew word translated AM means exist.It makes no difference what physical evidence I might have that God does exist no one on this site but a born again believer would accept any evidence I presented.So that ends this argument as far as I am concerned.Now if you want to discuss why I believe He exists then I would be glad to address that issue.God Bless,

Hi DL There are 3 creation events in the Bible.

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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth..

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Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good..

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Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

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God ended His work and creation in Genesis 2:2. God has not created anything since that time.So get your theology straight and you won't ask such foolish questions. God has never created a sinner.Man is a sinner by choice. Due to the fact the man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 exercised his freewill and ate the fruit he had been forbidden to eat.So if you want to blame someone blame that man.Everything that the Supernatural Power created was perfect, without spot or blemish.Everything including the entire universe is under the penalty of sin due to the sin of one man.

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Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

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God Bless,

Hi Pressie,You may believe in God's I do not.I believe there is 1 Supernatural Power that controls all the energy and mass in, and outside of the universe as well as all the dark matter and dark energy.This Supernatural Power supplied the energy and mass to create everything seen and unseen.Thus this Supernatural Power solves all the problems of the BBT, String hypothesis and any other hypothesis that has been proposed concerning the beginning to exist of the universe and life on earth.God Bless,

Hi Omnivorous How does math show anything prior to T=10⁴⁰?God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : NoNukes pointed out error

Hi DL, Where does the Bible say they were stupid?The man named all the animals in Genesis 2:19-20. There was a lady in Africa that spent 40 years trying to name all the animals in Africa.Where does the Bible say they were blind?The man's job was to keep and dress the Garden. Genesis 2:15 He could see the animals as he named them. He was also able to see the woman when God brought her to him. Genesis 2:23 Nobody nor God makes you believe what you believe. Yet if you continue on the path you have chosen you will spend eternity in a lake of fire with that serpent you like to refer too in the garden.The man was given a direct command, that command was never given to the woman, although the man did relay it to her.

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Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

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Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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Now this man was allowed to eat the fruit of every tree except one. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The man knew good because he walked and talked with God in the garden. Genesis 2:16, 17, 22The man did not know evil until he willfully took the fruit his wife offered him and did eat. Their eyes were not opened to see evil until the man had eaten the fruit. They were not opened when the woman ate the fruit. Your conclusion is false.The man had free will to eat the fruit or to not eat the fruit. If he had not had the choice he would not have eaten the fruit. He and his beautiful wife would still be in the garden enjoying all of the gardens pleasures as everything in the garden was perfect until the man chose to eat the fruit which was disobedience to God's command and that disobedience polluted the entire universe with the penalty of sin which is death.Mankind must die, a physical death. Those who are not born again will die a spiritual death separated from God for eternity.The universe and earth must die as they have to be purified by fire.Then God will resume creating by creating a new universe and earth. You or I have never had the choice the man that was formed from the dust of the ground had. The choice he made brought the penalty of death to everything.The only choice you or I have is to accept the offer of a free full pardon that God has offer to all mankind that will accept it. The man formed from the dust of the ground was sinless and disobeyed God which was sin. Eating the fruit was not the sin. Choosing to disobey God was the sin. Because of that sin all are under the penalty of sin.

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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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He that believeth on him is not condemned.
He that believeth not is condemned already. Don't have to do anything to become condemned.Then John gives the reason mankind is condemned.
Because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.So a person who does not believe in God is condemned already. Because if you don't believe in Him you will never trust Him to save you.God Bless,

Hi DL, Not in the way you think.He is the energy that holds the atoms together that compose your body.I think that energy is what a lot of folks call dark energy and dark matter.As well as the everything in the universe.

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Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

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1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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The definition of the Hebrew word וישׁבת that is translated rested is: to ceaseSo God ceased all his work and creating on the seventh day. He has not started creating since that day began. He will in the future create a new heaven and earth after this one melts with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:12, Revelation 21:1.All you showed me was what some evolutionist claim is a mutation gone wrong.God created none of the things you presented. Mutations do happen.I hope that cleared it up for you.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, The dark energy and dark matter was in reference to what hold's the universe together as it is made up of atoms also.God Bless,

Hi DL, What says it is all knowledge?
The man had named all the animals, called the female, woman and had talks with God if only God speaking to him. He knew language and could speak. He was not stupid as you say. No childish threat, just a promise from God. God did not send someone else to die to restore the relationship with mankind. He came Himself.

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Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

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It was prophesied the child would be God with us. So No God did not send some innocent human to be punished but came to buy mankind out of the bondage the man formed from the dust of the ground has sold mankind into. He came Himself to be the kinsman redeemer.God Bless,

Hi DL, Mankind in Genesis 1:27 was created in the image of God so why would he not be able to create?When I look around at all the things mankind has made in the universe and on the earth I would say mankind is prolific in producing things. Mankind can only reproduce because God made it possible for a male to have sperm and a female to have an egg that when combined would produce a human being. He also provided all the duct work that made it possible.We can not create anything because to do so we would have to produce the energy and mass to create something out of. We can only take what exists and rearrange it into things.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

Hi NoNukes, No I am telling you that the Supernatural power supplied all the energy that is required to hold the universe together and that Supernatural power is what is causing the expansion of the universe.How is dark energy causing the universe to expand?Wouldn't that require dark energy to expand itself?So what would cause it to expand? Can it increase in energy? Just what is it that science call's dark matter?Anyway you look at it there has to be something that supplies the energy to create the dark matter that is causing the expanding.What is that source if it is not a supernatural power?God Bless,

Hi ringo, And how would you propose a natural power could begin to exist in non existence?It would have to be a supernatural power that had existed eternally in the past, in order to exist.God Bless,