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Author Topic:   Question: Why did animals have to die in the great flood?
Tangle
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Message 5 of 47 (786871)
06-28-2016 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Archangel
06-26-2016 5:50 AM


Archangel writes:
other words, does anybody grasp the full reasoning behind Gods plan for the great flood as it played out in the real world?
I suspect several people sighed at this.
The problem is that all you've got is written in your book. That's all there is. There is NOTHING else. The rest has to be made up. That's why it's possible to make aything up you like.
The second sigh is because IT'S FICTION. Almost everybody here knows it's fiction so your question is exactly the same as asking why Ents aren't seen out and about more often. It gets tiresome and a bit embarassing having to point this out so regularly.

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Message 9 of 47 (786876)
06-28-2016 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Archangel
06-28-2016 6:02 PM


Like I say, you have your book. That's all you have. Make of it what you will - that's what's been done for millennia.
You can't make sense of it unless you want to.
Quoting chunks of if gets you nowhere because others can quote different chunks. What do you want to believe?
Alternatively, you can look at what we actually KNOW.
What we know tells us that there's never been a global flood and that all animal and plant life was not destroyed 4,000 years ago. If the flood had happened it would be evident - obvious and unmissable in the geological and biological record. But it isn't.
Search all you like for answers in the Old Testament, but when is been proven to be fiction, you're not going to only find what you want to find. Just pick what you need.

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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 11 of 47 (786878)
06-28-2016 6:38 PM
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06-28-2016 6:29 PM


Archangel writes:
I sigh everytime I read a spiritually shallow post like this that reveals how utterly vacuous your world view is. It breaks my heart that seemingly intelligent people can be so spiritually barren that they are incapable of recognizing that we are also spiritual beings.
Concentrate. We're talking about a global flood about 4,000 years ago. That's a matter of fact and evidence - there's absolutely nothing 'spiritual' about it.
Even if true it would have been an act of barbarism unsurpassed by anything in human imaginings
Spiritual? For fuck sake, engage brain.
My prayer for you is that you will humbly open your heart and ask God that if He is there to please reveal Himself to you and remain open and patient that He will. Ask in Jesus Holy name. Amen...
And in return, I hope you get your mind back soon.
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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 12 of 47 (786879)
06-28-2016 6:41 PM
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06-28-2016 6:38 PM


Re: Bible Study vs Critical Thinking 101
Phat writes:
We know your position on the Bible as fiction, and you do have an otherwise logical argument. This topic, however, focuses on answering Archangels questions from the literature written about the beliefs and legends.
And he got not a single answer - as he complained. I was pointing out why.
Over to the truly puddled.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 25 of 47 (786899)
06-29-2016 3:35 AM
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06-28-2016 9:34 PM


Archangel writes:
Tell me Tangle, what evidence do you have that the global flood occurred around 4,000 years ago? Please produce it before stating that it’s a matter of fact and evidence.
Science's position is that there is no evidence of a global flood in either the geological or biological record, period. The imaginary date of it is therefore moot. However, the concensus date as made up by creationist is around 4,000 years. If you have another imaginary date, it too will be irrelevant without your proof of it actually occurring. That proof does not include it being written in a book of fairy stories.
ACCORDING TO ANCIENT JEWISH HISTORIAN JOSEPHUS, along with Irish archbishop and chronologist James Ussher, Bible historians and most conservative Christian scholars, the Flood of Noah's time occurred between 2500 BC and 2300 BC probably close to 2348 BC.
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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 42 of 47 (786969)
06-30-2016 7:32 AM
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06-30-2016 7:14 AM


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Why wasn't the Book of Enoch included in the mainstream Protestant versions of Bibles then? Not inspired I guess? Just another book not voted in by humans, I guess?
  —Pressie
Might as well ask why The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe wasn't included in Lord of the Rings.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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