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Author Topic:   Defence of Intelligent Design
johnfolton 
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Message 7 of 51 (79958)
01-22-2004 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by bran_sept88
01-21-2004 10:39 PM


Not sure if this is what your looking for, but the different kinds of creatures have perfect design, all the different kinds of creatures came onto the fossil record fully formed (evidence of design), and have since evolved because God made all his creatures male and female, to be a sharing of genes, and by natural selection(survival of the fittest), which they call micro-evolution, no evidence of any new genes or chromosomes coming onto the scene, only copies, mutated copies, but only copies, no evidence to suggest life is able to design all the different evidences of design, no evidence that the theory of evolution answers the question of origin, the reason evolutionists are continually looking for missing links is that the theory of evolution has no evidence that the creatures didn't come onto the scene fully formed, so they are forced to pretend the theory of evolution isn't concerned about origin, or design, which of course its this design evident in the creatures themselves that make it time to replace the theory of evolution with the theory of Intelligent design. Just a few examples of design, etc...
http://www.geocities.com/godsmachineshop/index.html
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Design of Insect Wings
http://aig.gospelcom.net/...area/Magazines/docs/18db1307.asp
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Message 16 of 51 (80102)
01-22-2004 3:25 PM
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01-22-2004 1:12 PM


The reason evolutionists don't like the Intelligent Design theory is the very reason no doctorate in basic or applied science will debate Walt Brown, evolutionists want to debate theology, when the issue is does Science support Intelligent design, or Evolution.
The evidence supports Intelligent Design, so when you write your paper, be sure to include that Intelligent Design refuses to get dragged into a theological debate, its only concerned with the scientific evidences, for design, and that micro-evolution, genetics, all the micro-biology in the creatures is more evidence that life was intelligently designed, etc...
You could bring up, to identify any creature, tree, insect, fish, you only need to go to the library to find their scientific name, there is no new kinds of creatures being formed, in fact the fossil record shows from the millions of creatures, fish, insects, reptiles, etc...they reproduce only like kind creatures, which came onto the fossil record fully formed, so the lack of millions of transitional fossils needed to support toe, is a big strike against evolutionists, and supporting they were designed, I suppose hippo fossils could be infered to of been a whale that walked, a pigs tooth could be infered to be a missing link, its these kind of problems with their missing links, which is why evolutionists want to drag religion into the theory of Intelligent Design.
You could mention how the dog micro-evolving from the wolf is an example of Intelligent Design, that by inbreeding the wolf micro-evolved into the many different dog species, but this in no way is evidence to support evolution that new genes were created, in fact breeders of cattle will get a new bull, every couple of years, so recessive genes from inbreeding, will not cause their cattle to become sickly, that this is all part of micro-evolution(Intelligent Design Theory), how the different creatures because of inbreeding, causes all the variations of the dogs, cats, cattle, etc...
Wish you well on your project, etc...
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Message 22 of 51 (80121)
01-22-2004 4:28 PM
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01-22-2004 3:49 PM


PaulK, It is interesting that no doctorate scientists believes the scientific evidences support evolution enough to debate Walt, on his challenge, does the scientific evidence support creationism or evolution, etc...
Its been over 23 years, and all you have is that they want to include religion which would make the debate meaningless(off topic), which is of course what the evolutionists are trying to do to Intelligent Design, to move it off topic, and why the Intelligent Design movement has no interest in debating theology, etc...

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Message 25 of 51 (80130)
01-22-2004 4:53 PM
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01-22-2004 4:13 PM


FliesOnly, If it wasn't due to the exoskeleton of the insects, it would be possible for insects to micro-evolve into large creatures, just one of the many evidences of Intelligent Design, a part of their being limiting their size, etc...
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Message 27 of 51 (80135)
01-22-2004 4:59 PM
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01-22-2004 4:41 PM


PaulK, We all know that Joe wanted to include religion, which he wasn't qualified to debate, etc...

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Message 36 of 51 (80158)
01-22-2004 6:31 PM
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01-22-2004 6:04 PM


Abshalom, The apes were created by the dust of the earth, however, what makes you special is that you were created in the image of God, it should be as plain as the nose on your face, etc...
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Message 41 of 51 (80170)
01-22-2004 6:53 PM
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01-22-2004 6:42 PM


crashfrog, Your image is not the image of a chimp, its all about design, however, to skip to the creationists theory, the bible says your created in the image of God, etc...

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Message 46 of 51 (80183)
01-22-2004 7:50 PM
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01-22-2004 7:27 PM


I agree with NosyNed, since the Intelligent Design theory doesn't bring theology into its theory, you should just dwell on proving the creature lack of design or that life shows evidence of design, etc...

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Message 48 of 51 (80189)
01-22-2004 8:38 PM
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01-22-2004 7:57 PM


bran_sept88, Your welcome, lots of fiery darts on this site, keep the faith, etc...
P.S. I like this article on how the whales ribs collapsed because there "designed", to collapse so they are able to dive to the bottom of the ocean, etc...
http://www.ftexploring.com/askdrg/askdrgalapagos2.html

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