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Author Topic:   Defence of Intelligent Design
crashfrog
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Message 17 of 51 (80108)
01-22-2004 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 3:25 PM


You could bring up, to identify any creature, tree, insect, fish, you only need to go to the library to find their scientific name
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You seriously believe that there's no new species?
so the lack of millions of transitional fossils needed to support toe, is a big strike against evolutionist
There's as many transitional fossils as there are fossils, because every organism is "transitional." You're the transitional organism between your parents and your children.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 51 (80155)
01-22-2004 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by bran_sept88
01-22-2004 5:31 PM


And for another thing those people are my friends and if you would like to bad mouth them then perhaps you can stop hiding behind you computer and tell me a place were you can meet me and tell me to my face.
Well, I know it's not me you're talking to, but if you cared to come to Prior Lake, MN, I'll tell you right to your face that there's no scientific basis to intelligent design, that it can't construct hypotheses or make predictions, and that anybody who believes it does so to satisfy a deeply-held religious ideology that they couldn't abide being wrong.
If you want to fight after that, we can do that, too. I'm trained in the use of several weapons so I'm happy to let you choose.
On the other hand, you could just look around this board, get involved in some of the threads, and actually find out why rational people come to the conclusion that there's no science in ID.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 51 (80162)
01-22-2004 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 6:31 PM


what makes you special is that you were created in the image of God, it should be as plain as the nose on your face, etc...
How could anybody be created in the image of something that doesn't exist?

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crashfrog
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Message 44 of 51 (80178)
01-22-2004 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by NosyNed
01-22-2004 6:54 PM


I disagree. I think that my comment points out that you can hardly claim that it's self-evident that we're created in the image of god by god unless it's also self-evident that god exists in the first place, which it is not.
I think a lot of times these debates stagnate because people are all too willing to accept that a belief in god is reasonable. I'm not. If you're going to talk about God, I need to hear why you believe he exists, first. It has to start with that.
Oh, well. Nobody has to respond if they don't want to. But if you're going to talk about god with me, we have to start with whether or not he exists. I'm not willing to just assume he does.

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crashfrog
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Message 50 of 51 (80204)
01-22-2004 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 7:50 PM


you should just dwell on proving the creature lack of design or that life shows evidence of design, etc...
If I can show that there's no designer capable of the design that doesn't bring contradictions or infinite regression into the theory, then I've disproved the design conjecture.

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