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Author Topic:   Defence of Intelligent Design
FliesOnly
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Message 13 of 51 (80076)
01-22-2004 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bran_sept88
01-21-2004 10:17 PM


Welcome bran_sept88:
Let me guess, you attend the same school as Sweetstuff383 and Matt Tucker, meaning you don't really want to hear opposing (and by that I mean "scientific") viewpoints. You just want to write your pathetic paper that will cover the same old crap that has been refuted over and over, by actual practicing scientists. You know, people that know and understand the scientific method and adhere to it when conducting experiments and stating results. You know, the exact opposite of creationists.
I'll make this simple, and you can choose to believe it or ignore it, (and I'll bet that it will be the later);
Any defense of ID will be based solely on religious grounds. If you actually write a paper in support ID on scientific grounds you will be writing a paper that is lies. It's really that simple. Intellegent design is in no way supported by the scientific method. Do you understand? Take some time and learn about science and be honest with yourself. Don't just blindly follow the pathetic rants of "whatever", he has no clue how science operates. Don't just "see" what you want to see and stop there. Ask questions. Ask hard questions. Demand to see scientific support before you call it scientific.
On more general terms: over and over, people like whatever and Willowtree and TruthDetector (and so many others) out and out reject the ToE as an unscientific explanation of the diversity of life we see on this planet. Yet they claim to accept so many other scientific theories, such as gravity and chemical bond theory. How is that possible? Seriously. Can any of you creationists explain to us how you can accept the scientific merits of gravity but reject those of the ToE, despite the fact that they both follow the exact same logic (ie: the scientific method)? Put up or shut up. Tell us dumd old evolutionists how the ToE fails the scientific method while the theory of gravity does not? Be specific. We want to see valid departures by the ToE from the scientific method. Think of it this way. We have a theory about life on this planet. It's called the Theory of Evolution. We arrived at this theory by using the scientific method to ask questions, form hypotheses, conduct experiments and then state results. Based on thousands and thousands of results, we formulated the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation of what we had found. Where did we go wrong. Exactly what "things" did we do that circumvented the scientific method? And for once, please attempt to answer the questions without bringing the bible into it.

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FliesOnly
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Message 15 of 51 (80095)
01-22-2004 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by truthlover
01-22-2004 2:34 PM


Truthlover:
Good point(s).
I guess to carry it even further, I'd like them to explain how they can accept any scientific theory? That is, on what basis do they agree with any of them, or do they feel that it is there God given right () to pick and choose which are acceptable and which are not?

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FliesOnly
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Message 21 of 51 (80120)
01-22-2004 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 3:25 PM


Whatever:
whatever writes:
The reason evolutionists don't like the Intelligent Design theory is the very reason no doctorate in basic or applied science will debate Walt Brown, evolutionists want to debate theology, when the issue is does Science support Intelligent design, or Evolution.
This has been dealt with repeatedly. You should try reading sometime...you might learn something.
whatever writes:
The evidence supports Intelligent Design, so when you write your paper, be sure to include that Intelligent Design refuses to get dragged into a theological debate, its only concerned with the scientific evidences, for design, and that micro-evolution, genetics, all the micro-biology in the creatures is more evidence that life was intelligently designed, etc...
WTF are you talking about? ID is nothing but theology. And why do you never answer the questions that are asked of you? Come on for once just answer what was asked, and stopped making stuff up as you go along. Give me any scientific evidence to support creationism and intelligent design. Any. Any at all. One piece. Please.
whatever writes:
You could bring up, to identify any creature, tree, insect, fish, you only need to go to the library to find their scientific name...
Wrong.
whatever writes:
...so the lack of millions of transitional fossils needed to support toe, is a big strike against evolutionists, and supporting they were designed, I suppose hippo fossils could be infered to of been a whale that walked, a pigs tooth could be infered to be a missing link, its these kind of problems with their missing links...
Wrong
whatever writes:
which is why evolutionists want to drag religion into the theory of Intelligent Design.
Wrong
whatever writes:
You could mention how the dog micro-evolving from the wolf is an example of Intelligent Design, that by inbreeding the wolf micro-evolved into the many different dog species, but this in no way is evidence to support evolution that new genes were created, in fact breeders of cattle will get a new bull, every couple of years, so recessive genes from inbreeding, will not cause their cattle to become sickly
Wrong
whatever writes:
that this is all part of micro-evolution(Intelligent Design Theory), how the different creatures because of inbreeding, causes all the variations of the dogs, cats, cattle, etc...
and Wrong
Well, whatever, by my count you are 0 for 7 in trying to find fault with the ToE and support for intelligent design. Also I noticed that you did manage to completely avoid answering any questions that I asked of you (as a creationist, not you in particular)...but I'm not really that surprised. So now I will ask you directly: Please, in your reply to this post, give me scientific evidence that supports ID and tell me how the ToE violates the scientific method. Please.

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