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Author Topic:   What's Best Reconciliation of Gen 1 and 2 You've Heard?
q3psycho
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Message 4 of 307 (82483)
02-03-2004 3:50 AM


This is a very simple matter. There is no contradiction. God has created the Universe in parallel. There are many examples where more than one thing is simultaneously true. For example, the trinity. Nobody has a problem with that. It is not a contradiction. There are three things true at the same time.
It is also night and day at the same time on different points of the earth. Is this a contradiction? In fact, it is a different date and day of the week. Yet it is the same absolute time. Contradiction? Of course not.
If I send a space ship out to mars and back at the speed of light with a clock on it and also use a clock on earth to see how long it was gone - is there a contradiction? Both clocks are right, aren't they? But they are different.
Is it not true that particles appear out of nowhere in science experiments and yet matter is neither created nor destroyed? Well, this is only an apparent contradiction from our frame of reference.
So therefore how can one fret over such a simple thing as Genesis 1 and 2? If God wants it to be Tuesday on Wednesday or to have light while there is darkness - there is no contradiction in this. For particles or beings to appear and vanish has been observed empirically. God was merely working on a larger scale.
Be advised the son of man will come like a thief in the night with power.

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q3psycho
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Message 8 of 307 (82781)
02-03-2004 6:41 PM


gentlemen, I thank you for your responses. I still do not see the problem. Is it not suspension of "sense" that particles appear as if by magic? Is it not suspension of "sense" that scientists are now talking about parallel universes?
I think there is a deeper mystery in genesis that we are only now coming to grips with. God can create the world simultaneously in different ways. As with the trinity, they are one and the same and yet different.
I don't think this is suspending sense at all. This is instead the verification that the Bible incorporated advanced science long before man "discovered" it. At the same time genesis is supporting modern science by confirming the principle of parallel realities.
Has it not also occurred to you that God can arrest the spin of the earth or slow the speed of light? A "day" may be a quantity of light. But it could be ten million years. How can we judge what happened before Adam and Eve? Nobody was there to record it.
When methods of ship construction recover the lost technology of Noah's Ark all of you will be pretending it is a "modern" development. All of us will be saying "I told you so"!

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q3psycho
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Message 10 of 307 (82825)
02-03-2004 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
02-03-2004 7:25 PM


I'm not confused. Remember - you need faith. That is what keeps you from being confused. You can always figure out the answer if you have faith.
Like the big bang. The ideas weren't doing so well so they invented this big bang. It covers up all of the problems. But now they can't figure out how to slow it down. But if you have faith they will invent some other thing to stop it.

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q3psycho
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Message 13 of 307 (82907)
02-03-2004 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
02-03-2004 11:09 PM


You guys are pretty tough.
Um, sorry if I slandered anyone. Isn't all of the Bible taken on faith? I'm being honest about that you guys. You have to believe in it first. That's what makes it inerrant. If I lose faith then I'll be like you and say all of these things are wrong and inconsistent.
On the big bang thing, isn't it now a problem because the Universe will just expand forever and get cold? Don't they have to invent some other thing so the universe doesn't fall apart? what good is a universe that can't even stay together?

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q3psycho
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Message 15 of 307 (82987)
02-04-2004 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by truthlover
02-03-2004 10:27 PM


Well Mr Truthlover,I don't know if you saw that I said I didn't mean to offend anybody. Grossly offensive? Man, I sure didn't mean to be that way. I'm not a scientist. But I do like to read. Like reader's digest. Slander? That is really bad.
I thought they invented the big bang because the universe was expanding. So you have to ask where it started from. Well, the earliest staring point to expand from is from nothing. So that covers one problem - where it got started. But now you've got more problems. But this isn't the place to discuss those. I just hope you're not still mad at me.
Mr. Frog has been asking me hard questions and I don't like them very much. I can't see his post now. You know if I thought like you say intellectually about my wife there would be two problems with that. First, we'd never have sex. Second, I don't think we'd be in love.
So is intellectualism everything?

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q3psycho
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Message 19 of 307 (83818)
02-06-2004 5:55 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by truthlover
02-04-2004 8:42 AM


Thank you for your response and I will try to learn more about science. Well maybe there are things in the Bible that there are some problems with. Maybe. It was written in another language for one thing. I think some in Hebrew and some in Greek.
Well about this looking backwards business: The problem with that is we don't know how far we can go with that. I'm sorry that I just have a problem with packing all of the universe into one little speck. I can't even fit all my wife's clothes into a suitcase for travelling. So you want me to believe we're going to put all of the planets and stars and everything into a sandwich bag?
Now I see a double standard here with this. Over on another page you guys are saying you can't put a man inside a whale. But you don't even blink when some scientist says you can put the entire universe into the stomach of that same whale.
Don' be mad at me now. I just can't see how both things can be true at the same time. So science wants some pretty tall tales to be true. On the other hand the Bible gets treated pretty shabby if there's some little thing in there they don't like.

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