Hydroplates unchallenged young earth explains Tectonics shortcomings!

OK sorry, I was thinking of something else, I see what you were replying to, I'll respond in a few moments.

Ok I think I got it.

OK Thanks for explaining how the pt theory tries to explain that one! I guess you just kinda have to "believe" that amazing stuff!

I think Walt there was trying to show how the volcanoes did not fit in well with the pt theory. In that if a certain thing left 'footprints' why was there no prints at other scenes of the crime, rather than proposing some big explanation of them there. Mr Brown mentions in his book how the sliding continents caused heat, some stored in pockets that later produced volcanoes, and of course some spurting up right away causing a lot of that kind of action as well. Sounds a little like your hot spots. I suppose my point was to rub it in a little that both these sets of speculations were indee mere theories!

Simple, the Hawaian islands are spaced across a huge expanse of the pacific. If the plates haven't been moving 'sedately' for millions of years how is that? Are the island spaceings and ages right for the current motion of the pacific floor? What would it mean if they were right?Now, what would Walt's theory predict for the location of the island chain? Can he calculate anything about the ages and locations of the islands?Which 'theory' seems to predict what we see?[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 02-05-2004]

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What folks here have been trying to get you to recognize is that Dr Brown's fantasies have left no footprints ANYWHERE AT ALL! None! Nada! Keine! Not any!

Speculation and theory are two different things. Speculation is what you do before you have any evidence. Theory develops out of and explains evidence.What we can gradually show you over a series of posts is that current geological theories developed from the evidence and so are consistent with that evidence. Were we to find theory and evidence incompatible we would be forced to change theory. It would be stupid, and impossible anyway, to try to uphold theory in the face of contrary evidence, especially with the huge number of field geologists out there looking for oil and minerals who would immediately notice that what they were taught in school didn't match what they were seeing in the field.What people will try to show for you is that Walt Brown's ideas, because they did not develop from the evidence, can be shown to be inconsistent with that evidence. At some point miracles have to be invoked, which whether they happened or not, is not scientific, otherwise scientists would be explaining, "And then a miracle happened," everytime they got unexpected results.--Percy[This message has been edited by Percy, 02-05-2004]

No, actually a theory is some idea which has been subject to rather intensive testing and debate. A speculation is an interesting idea that isn't supported yet. A complete fantasy is something which has been shown to be wrong.If Walt has a 'theory' then perhaps it can make some predictions about the placement of the Hawaiian islands. Care to try?

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I am sorry Joe Meert, but I read something you wrote on Christianforums.com and just about fell over laughing. To paraphrase:"If there was a meteor coming towards earth and God told Noah to build a spaceship, would Walt be preaching his hydroplate theory?"This is why Walt's theory is in the dust bin. His only reason for putting forth his theory is to reconcile tectonic movements with the Noachian flood. He did not derive his theory from evidence, but rather through an ancient story.[This message has been edited by Loudmouth, 02-05-2004]

Mr Brown's thoughts are "The Hawaiian Islands were considered the best example of this phenomenon.18 Not explained were the large chains of submarine volcanoes scattered over a large area next to the Hawaiian chain, but not in line with it. One adjacent chain of volcanoes is actually perpendicular to the Hawaiian chain. It is now recognized that if hotspots exist, they must move.19 Other volcanic chains, such as the Bermuda Rise, are almost perpendicular to their claimed movement.20 Why is a hotspot fixed if the mantle circulates enough to move a plate? ...Magma outpourings are much better explained by movements, faults, and high-pressure sliding friction inside the earthall caused by the sudden rising of the Atlantic floor. Because faults often intersect the earth’s surface as linear features, we have many linear island chains, but with different orientations. " Well sounds like he thinks that's all good.

Er ... that's not a prediction. A prediction would be an explanation of how and why the Hawaiian islands came to be as they are, based on his "theory".

Any theory that is not anti God will be resigned to a 'dust bin' by evo devotees who now dominate the scene. (Here's an easy equation for you --if God inspires the Bible, and godly science-who inspires evolution?!-that's exactly right!) This will change. Till then, the edu-evo moderators will either try to sideline good thought (like try to put it in the "coffee house" here ha) or silence it. (Goodbye in advance folks). Not because they are true or right, but because, for now, they are not overthrown. They will be, though as sure as the sun rises.

Instead of running off all over the world how about sticking to the Hawaiian islands. Explain the ages and positions please. Check this against the measured movement of the Pacific floor today.You don't get it yet.

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And in the case of evolution--ALL THREE!!

My concern here is to see if you have something real why Walt is wrong. I'm happy enough that he finds the old theories flawed. Sorry if he didn't predict enough for you. Like I said, find a 'goliath' to debate him personally, and do it right. If Walt was out in the open publicly presented with someone to do it according to his challenge, I don't think he could refuse, since it was his idea.