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Author Topic:   Hydroplates unchallenged young earth explains Tectonics shortcomings!
simple 
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Message 35 of 197 (83551)
02-05-2004 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 6:18 PM


Re: do it right
Bury your head, avoid details and hope you get away with it
I'm on the ropes on this one, but why don't you just bring it down a few notches,(layman's terms) and tell me what it is that is puzzling you folks?

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Message 38 of 197 (83594)
02-05-2004 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by AdminNosy
02-05-2004 6:29 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
The Hawaian islands are laid out in a particular way. That way is what you would expect given what we know about the motion of the pacific right now. Why is that?
Coincidence?

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Message 39 of 197 (83599)
02-05-2004 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by AdminNosy
02-05-2004 6:29 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
Instead they are ignored or dealt with wild hand waving. This is a pretty good sign that he doesn't have a clue and can not make this so-called theory stand up to real scrutiny. Since it can't stand up to scrutiny it has not climbed from hypothosis to theory but has slipped to fantasy
Hope this leap isn't based on my not knowing much about either plate theory. Either way, I do think the continents parted in the recent past. You gotta admit Walt's fit at the ridge is a better one than pts! He may have it wrong. You certainly do.

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simple 
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Message 42 of 197 (83608)
02-05-2004 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Loudmouth
02-05-2004 6:26 PM


Re: do it right
This is the trifecta. Three separate and independent measurements (ie, island velocity, radiometric age, and erosion
ha. the radiometric thing I've already said before is less dependable by some estimates than Jeanne Dixon's successful predictions. (not that things don't decay, but lava has been way off) Island velocity--and erossion---Things certainly eroded with a world of water! I guess the question of which island is more 'recent' matters less in a young earth. Walt says theres many chains of submarine volcanoes scattered over a large area next to the Hawaaian chain, but not in line with it.--that you folks don't explain. One chain actually being perpendicular.

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simple 
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Message 43 of 197 (83612)
02-05-2004 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 7:32 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
He does have it wrong and why do you think it is a better fit
probably because the man who you are trying to look like in your picture has a book I looked at. In it there's pictures of what look like a much better fit.

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Message 45 of 197 (83616)
02-05-2004 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 7:30 PM


coincidence
I don't plan to be here long, so, keep it up, you may do well in the predictions thing. You seem to feel you are pretty expert in most of these things, but show me how much of of your knowledge is not built on the assumptions of great age, and there is probably not much left.

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Message 47 of 197 (83621)
02-05-2004 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by AdminNosy
02-05-2004 7:45 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
You asked I didn't know, I raised coincidence, after all if fossils happen to get sorted a certain way, and it coinsides with your theory, you seem to bite.

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simple 
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Message 50 of 197 (83627)
02-05-2004 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 7:47 PM


radio dating
Please provide detailed evidence and explain in your own words why the scientific basis for radiometric dating is wrong. Try to avoid copying unsupported documentation from Walt (if possible). Do you ever think on your own?
The scientific basis for the dating, in as much as seeing how something decays now is fine. My concern would be to extrapilate a present decay into the distant past, as if all things were the same as we now see. So to say it's presently decaying at a certain rate fine. Also on different places, I have heard about errors in the results. So I'm not going to base my thoughts, beliefs, or life on any dates thank you very much.

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simple 
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Message 52 of 197 (83633)
02-05-2004 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by NosyNed
02-05-2004 7:56 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
Walt's idea predicts what exactly
He has a chart where his theory scores about perfect, and the pt theory is frought with problems. I glanced over some of his predictions, you're probably more aware of them. Has any failed? You seem to have a concern in this area.

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simple 
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Message 53 of 197 (83636)
02-05-2004 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 7:53 PM


Re: coincidence
Duh! We all knew that the minute you started your cut-and-paste blitzkrieg
guess I should have kept up with the Jones, and put hyperlinks leading to cut and pasted stuff instead.
I'm hoping you'll stick around longer than the 1/2 life of most (~ 1 month).
I think it depends more on the pro evolution moderators

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Message 93 of 197 (83981)
02-06-2004 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by NosyNed
02-06-2004 12:34 PM


Re: Moving mountains
No. I don't feel we need to beg here.

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Message 94 of 197 (83985)
02-06-2004 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by JonF
02-06-2004 12:12 PM


sliding plates
I am not a real geologist, but I occasionally play one on TV {grin}. I believe that the plates are "riding on" the mantle, which is essentially all solid but plastic. Perhaps Joe or Bill will correct one or both of us
Hydroplate people seem to think they did most of their riding in a few days around the flood somewhere, and they ate kinda just settling in now, I think they believe that's what causes earthquakes?

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Message 97 of 197 (84009)
02-06-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Joe Meert
02-06-2004 5:20 PM


education? less than you'd like, more than I care for!
don't present a physically plausible mechanism for moving 100 kilometer thick plates around at km/hour.
So Walt's sliding continents (I thought he said the water was 10 miles under) have no mechanism? I thought he said something about that 'theory' of gravity? Are we assuming the 100 km 'plate' from pt? Why would I believe you over Walt? Anyone can say they "should not be questioned cause 'everyone' knows I'm right, what are you ignorant (uneducated)because you don't also?

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Message 99 of 197 (84013)
02-06-2004 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by NosyNed
02-06-2004 12:34 PM


You are, I think, more correct than I am
Thanks I'll try not to gloat.

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Message 102 of 197 (84024)
02-06-2004 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Loudmouth
02-06-2004 5:45 PM


Why does your dating methods and results, fit so wonderfully together'? There could be some forces at work that make it appear so. You don't know what. It is one of those things that you can put on a shelf, and, see if it stands the test of time. You know, for a long time mainstream science has assumed old age, and looked for it. No other explanation will do. Sometimes where their error lies, is in dates that are way too old. In this case, what caused the erosion? (water?) What else besides their "dating" makes it old? In strata layers they call things layed down in the same event millions of years old. Of course Prof Tweedly Dee agrees with Prof Tweedly Dum, and they use stata and fossils to agree with themselves. I wonder if you'll get any heavy hitters to straighten you out, when the moderators here are admittedly pro evolution, and seem to me (right or wrong) to be bullies. Reminds me of "Groundhog Day" Where this guy named Ned says "am I right or am I right or am I right"? Then goes on to try and sell his policy (evolution in this case).

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