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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If I were a Russian asset President would I:
- do something outrageously treacherous that impeachment and removal would follow, or - do a whole bunch of little actions to gaslight Americans and foreign countries into thinking it was just because I was stupid/ignorant/incompetent ... while whittling away at what makes us America? ... just asking. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
How About both?
Let’s say you’re an arrogant billionaire used-to-be and stupid enough to get caught with your pants down and your financial shenanigans exposed to the oligarchs and powers that be in Russia. You get bribed and blackmailed into running for president. You make the deal with the devil. In exchange for help getting elected you make policies, foreign and domestic, to do whatever you are told but you are so stupid and incompetent you look the fool to all the world and screw it all up and get yourself impeached anyway.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute#
quote: Spreading Russian propagandaBlocking measures to protect elections against more Russian interference Abandoning Syrian Kurds so fast the barracks were left up for the Russians to use Delaying Ukraine aid, to harm their defense against Russia and trust in the US Extorting South Korea leaving them more open to China #DumbtyTrumpty#MoscowMitch #MadCowNunes Next? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The old Soviet Union was always very good at placing agents in high position of foreign Governments.
The Institutional Knowledge was not lost.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 179 days) Posts: 673 Joined:
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Denigrate and then emasculate the intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI counter-intelligence department, thus opening the door wide for Russia/Putin to insert Americanized agents into all levels and functions of federal government.
Also bribe, extort, or just convince the most venal and/or stupid of Republican politicians to spread propaganda to support these actions and suppress any countermeasures. The treason being committed against the United States is not just by one man, it is by the entire Republican core.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I remember when the motto of the GOP was "Better Dead than Red". Now look at the Political Map in the US.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1052 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
None of these things requires Trump to be a Russian agent.
Spreading Russian propaganda Which happens to coincide with what he wants people to believe. He also spread propaganda from British fascists, but it would be risible to suggest he's in their pay.
Blocking measures to protect elections against more Russian interference In order to deny allegations that Russian interference may have helped him to the presidency. Simple self-interest, no collusion required.
Abandoning Syrian Kurds so fast the barracks were left up for the Russians to use Withdrawal of US involvement in foreign wars was a Trump policy since before the election.
Delaying Ukraine aid, to harm their defense against Russia and trust in the US Which we know was done as part of a petty attempt to smear a domestic political opponent.
Extorting South Korea leaving them more open to China Don't know the details of what's being referred to here, but it does not appear to have anything to do with Russia. The extreme Russophobia amongst US Democrats does make you look like the reasonable ones in this argument. No collusion with Russia is required to explain anything that Donald is doing, and assuming it without evidence makes you all look paranoid. Coincidence of interests does not imply collusion. The Soviet Union once really hoped the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in the UK would succeed, and went so far as to secretly funnel them money. Despite the allegations of paranoid right-wingers, however, the CND were not colluding with the Russians and were not Russian agents. They wanted disarmament for their own reasons, and the Soviet government happened to see a coincidence of interest.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Also bribe, extort, or just convince the most venal and/or stupid of Republican politicians to spread propaganda to support these actions and suppress any countermeasures. The treason being committed against the United States is not just by one man, it is by the entire Republican core. And I'm sure they can continue to use the NRA to launder money into the elections and connect to the militia organizations to form brown-shirt companies. Get them into ICE to turn that into SS type troops. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 179 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
How many coincidences does it take to make a certainty?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AIG writes:
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action." How many coincidences does it take to make a certainty?-- Goldfinger "If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1052 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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How many coincidences does it take to make a certainty? The potential space of identifiable coincidences is near infinite, so as a result it is a certainty that spurious coincidences can be found in any given situation. That's what makes conspiracy theorising so easy. But that's not really relevant, since that's not the sense of 'coincidence' I used. I just meant 'shared interest'. Listing interests that Trump shares with the Russian government does not make him more likely to be acting as their paid, or blackmailed agent, regardless of how many you come up with. Acting in Russia's interests contrary to his own would be evidence.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
None of these things requires Trump to be a Russian agent. Curiously I am not really interested in #DumbtyTrumpty in this thread, but how a hypothetical Russian asset President would behave.
Don't know the details of what's being referred to here, but it does not appear to have anything to do with Russia. Weakening support of allies makes all allies wary of future support against enemies. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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