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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
marc9k writes, in part:
...the only things about science the human mind can understand. well, that is a helluva lot better than the alternative, wouldn't you say?"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You'll find them at Ken Ham's Creation Museum and Answers In Genesis website. A Hambone? A real Hambone? When it comes to crazy you guys rate right up there but with tax fraud and hookers. You actually admit to believing his crap? A literal Genesis? A flud and underaged hookers at his Ark Park? That is your intellectual basis for opposing evolution? You really are demented.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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marc writes: You'll find them at Ken Ham's Creation Museum and Answers In Genesis website. A lot of reading there. I'd call that fake science but I'm afraid it doesn't even qualify for that epithet. It's just pure fiction. It doesn't stand up to the most cursory of glances. If it did, we'd call it science and it would be in the world's textbooks. Not in a tiny little corner of Christian nutterland.
Yes I've been seeing yours from a hundred or so posters at this site for about 13 years now. They all have one thing in common, they disregard everything except atheism, everything except rearrangement and time, the only things about science the human mind can understand. You don't seem to have learned anything in all that time which I guess is an achievement in itself. This science = atheism thing though must be really hard to square in even an addled mind. It's just wrong isn't it? Atheism is a minority interest, most scientists - and that includes people working directly in areas such a evolutionary biology - are not atheists. So how does that work out for you?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
I'm not disputing the evidence that suggests evolution has occurred. I'm don't need a discussion on it I just need you to say whether you accept the evidence that evolution has happened or not.
then get into the how of evolutionary theory
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know. Evidently, what you know about how novel body plans and organs evolve is next to nothing. In which case, how can you claim to know how evolution works?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know. That's what a scientific theory is, everything we know about the subject.
Evidently, what you know about how novel body plans and organs evolve is next to nothing. This has already been answered a bunch of times. Novel body plans and organs evolve through reproduction, with changes from generation to generation (descent with modification), and nature selects for differential reproductive success. Novel body plan and organs evolve the same way as all other biological features, they are only recognized as novel when humans compare them to ancestral forms. This is really obvious.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: I'm not disputing the evidence that suggests evolution has occurred. You inserted the word 'suggests'. Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I asked [...] "whether you accept the evidence that evolution has happened or not," not whether it suggests it. You're equivocating aren't you? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Then you basically admit that evolution happens. So why tf are you even posting here? Since you agree evolution happens, there is no argument!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know. What we know is the ToE together with sister sciences like biology, genetics, paleontology and a whole host of others. And all that knowledge (note the root word of knowledge is to know) makes it plain to all but the most braindead that evolution made everything just as the theories predicted. So, what do you think is missing that we don't know and how does that negate anything we do know in evolution?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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But he doesn't agree. He is playing word games and being an all around dick.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You keep trying to steer the discussion from knowing HOW evolution happens.Tangle writes:
No kidding! Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about? All that would do is demonstrate that you don't know how evolution works.
I'm (sic) don't need a discussion on it
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit. Funny, I must have missed that, I haven't seen him do anything but ask inane questions. You can't describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel body plan or organ ... or how prokaryotes evoloved from eukaryotes ... or how whales evolved from a land animal ... or how an amphibian's heart evolved from a fish's heart. In other words, your knowledge of how evolution works appears to be trivial and superficial, at best. Knowing how finches' beaks changed shape over time doesn't prove you know how evolution produced the changes evident in the fossil record.Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, .
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit. Oh, really, how? It has been explained to you numerous times. You just don't like the answer.
You can't describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel body plan or organ And you still have not described a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Well said. No one can possibly know the processes involved in the evolution of novel body plans or organs ... therefore no one can possibly claim to know how evolution works. Most, if not all, of the questions Dredge has raised have no chance of ever being accessible to the limited minds of man. That is a simple, undeniable fact that Darwinists don't want to face up to. The modus operandi of the cult of Darwinism is to throw up a bewildering smoke-screen of science/pseudo-science in order to fool the masses ... which is very effective ... but they don't fool everyone.
What scares me is how publicly funded school science classes tell their captive audience school children that evolution and atheism have absolutely no connection to each other , while Intelligent design and Christianity are closely related. But it doesn't scare me too much, most kids are smart enough to see through that lie.
The late philosopher of science, William Provine was 100% correct when he said "Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented". It amazes me how many theistic-evolutionist scientists deny this obvious fact. On one hand, the education system promotes atheism via an untestable scientific theory; but on the other hand, the education system despises intelliegence design, which uses scientific facts to promote theism. It's not hard to see a demonic conspiracy at work here.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
All your theorizing is just meaningless bluff. Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Describe a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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