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Percy
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Message 406 of 1429 (895992)
07-27-2022 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by Dredge
07-22-2022 6:06 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
I wish you had responded to a different part of my message, the part where I asked why you're repeating the same question over and over again while never addressing any of the many times it's been answered.
--Percy

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Dredge
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Message 407 of 1429 (896024)
07-29-2022 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Percy
06-27-2022 1:14 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes:
You're still confusing two different things: how evolution works, and how evolution happened.
We know how evolution works because we can study it happening today.
We can't know how evolution happened in the past because selection and mutation do not leave evidence behind.
Actually, that's not strictly true since mutations in modern descendants can often provide decipherable evidence about the relatedness and evolutionary descent of lifeforms, both extant and extinct.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works. A simple argument based on simple logic - how come you don't understand it?
But the important point is the distinction between how evolution works and how it happened. They're two different things. One we know, the other we usually don't, except perhaps at a very undetailed level. For instance, while we don't know the details of the evolution of the whale's blowhole, we do have fossils that indicate a progression (in different ways in different lines of descent), and we do have fetal development, which often provides clues about evolutionary history.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced whales, so you can't claim to know how whales evolved.
Ontogeny doesn't recapitulate ontology in anything like the strict way that Haeckel insisted, but it does provide clues.
Please speak English.
"Ontogeny" has something to do with dentistry, doesn't it? What does dentistry have to do with evolution?

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Message 408 of 1429 (896025)
07-29-2022 10:54 AM


We Need a "Troll" Button
To identify mindless trolls like Dredge.

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nwr
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Message 409 of 1429 (896026)
07-29-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 408 by dwise1
07-29-2022 10:54 AM


Re: We Need a "Troll" Button
He self-identifies. No button is needed.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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ringo
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Message 410 of 1429 (896029)
07-29-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dredge
07-29-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
Non sequitur.
Translation: It does not follow.
You're confused about tenses. We may not have direct knowledge of exactly how a certain transition did happen historically (past tense). That does not prevent us from knowing how it does happen (present tense) when we see it happening.
We have no reason to think it might have happened differently in the past.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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AZPaul3
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Message 411 of 1429 (896031)
07-29-2022 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dredge
07-29-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
We don’t need to prove anything. We still know how evolution works and your catholic fantasy that we don’t is a lie. We still know that the ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
Catholic lying. Again. That is all you seem to do in these posts.

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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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vimesey
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Message 412 of 1429 (896032)
07-29-2022 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dredge
07-29-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please speak English.
"Ontogeny" has something to do with dentistry, doesn't it? What does dentistry have to do with evolution?
Percy is speaking English. Here is a definition of ontogeny:
The process of individual development from a single cell, an egg cell or a zygote, to an adult organism is known as ontogeny.
You could, you know, try looking things up and learning something occasionally.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Dredge
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Message 413 of 1429 (896040)
07-30-2022 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 411 by AZPaul3
07-29-2022 2:32 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
We don’t need to prove anything.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record ... therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
We still know that the ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
You're delusional - you can't distinguish between Darwinist folklore and reality. Bizarre.
Darwinists claim to know things that they don't ... so their reputation as the bullshit artists and snake-oil merchants of science is justified.
Catholic lying. Again. That is all you seem to do in these posts.
If you are allergic to the truth, it's not my fault.

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Dredge
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Message 414 of 1429 (896041)
07-30-2022 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Tanypteryx
07-06-2022 12:10 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works
... in which case, you're full of it.

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AZPaul3
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Message 415 of 1429 (896042)
07-30-2022 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 413 by Dredge
07-30-2022 1:35 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Again, we do not need to prove anything. We already know that the ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record and is the mechanism responsible for the great diversity of all organisms on this planet.
And, again, we don't need to prove anything to you because we already know you are a SFC and lie about everything and cannot see the reality that keeps slapping you in the face.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 416 of 1429 (896043)
07-30-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 414 by Dredge
07-30-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Your delusions don't seem to have any effect on how we actually do science.
You can't even explain why your hero, Gunter Bechly, never includes his views of ID in any of his papers on Odonate paleontology. Maybe it's because he knows it's all based on a fictional story written by ignorant bronze age goat herders.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 417 of 1429 (896047)
07-30-2022 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by AZPaul3
07-30-2022 6:40 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
we do not need to prove anything
Thank you for admitting that your quasi-religious beliefs are based on faith and not on facts.

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AZPaul3
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Message 418 of 1429 (896050)
07-30-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Dredge
07-30-2022 11:31 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Thank you for admitting that your quasi-religious beliefs are based on faith and not on facts.
Your lying catholicism (SFC) is showing again.
We know ToE is real because we do indeed have the facts. Millions upon millions of facts collected by all of the disciplines that evidence the ToE.
Your denials will not make them go away. They are there for everyone to see.
Lying catholics ignore all this evidence because their minds are poisoned by meat-crackers and their souls are subsumed by Satan.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 419 of 1429 (896055)
07-30-2022 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by vimesey
07-06-2022 2:14 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
vimesey writes:
We have tons of evidence - a gnat's whisker would outweigh yours.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.

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AZPaul3
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Message 420 of 1429 (896056)
07-30-2022 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Dredge
07-30-2022 2:59 PM


Attention All Readers!
Attention All Readers!
Stupid Fucking Catholic lies in Message 419.
Use care on approach. The stupid is strong with this one.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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