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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Explain the joke. Why are you the only one laughing? ringo writes:
Hilarious. Facts aren't much good without an explanation."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
YOU don't know what knowledge means. You don't know that whales evolved according to ToE. You made a huge strategic error when you admitted how stupid you are. Now nothing you say can be taken seriously."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Then why can't you demonstrate it? Give us millions of examples. It's a demonstrable fact that millions of folks believe that ToE is a fact - you're one of them. It IS a lie. And you have demonstrated that you're too stupid to tell a lie from the truth.
Dredge writes:
You don't understand what knowledge is, so you're in no position to make that claim. You don't know how even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened!"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
By your misunderstanding of knowledge, it would be impossible to know anything. Just because YOU know nothing, you idiot, it doesn't mean that nobody knows anything. All you can know from fossils is that "evolution" happened. The fossils don't let you know HOW "evolution" happened."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
And yet you presume to tell other people what they know.
... it's pretty safe to assume that someone with an IQ of 9 is already stupid. Dredge writes:
We don't want to talk about proof because science doesn't deal in proof. Science doesn't prove anything, not evolution, not gravity, not the shape of the earth. ... you don't want to talk about proof because you know full well that you can't prove that ToE describes the process that shaped the history of life on earth. YOU, on the other hand, want to talk about proof because you're too stupid to unerstand the first thing about science.
Dredge writes:
What the hell would you know about minds? Your mind doesn't want to venture outside it's safe and warm little bubble of Darwinist belief."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
And your argument is even worse than Bechly's. I was referring to Bechly's argument, not mine."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
For practical purposes, you are mindless. You have demonstrated repeatedly that you are incapable of using the few IQ poits that you do have.
I said I have an IQ of 9 and that therefore I qualify as an idiot ... an idiot is not "mindless". Dredge writes:
Give examples. ... sometimes even an idiot gets it right."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Dr. Bechly doesn't deny that evolution has happened ... he argues that ToE can't account for what is observed. Does he really? Which specific observations does he dispute? How would he correct the Theory of Evolution to more accurately describe reality? Does he provide any supporting evidence? Citations would be niceStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You're confusing knowledge with proof. Wrong again. ... if science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works. You should just stop using the words "proof" and "know", since you have no idea what you're talking about."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Dedged Sludge writes:
YOU don't know what knowledge means. You don't know that whales evolved according to ToE. More importantly, does he even know what the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is? He keeps harping about the ToE and how it doesn't explain anything, etc, but how would he know that if he doesn't even know what the ToE is? In that grave ignorance, he is the same as all the other creationists we encounter: none of them know what evolution is nor how it works. The surest way to drive them off is to ask them what they think evolution is and how they think it is supposed to work. Works better than garlic and crucifixes do on vampires (though in the novel of a vampire epidemic, I am Legend (1954), the protagonist found that crucifixes don't work on Jewish vampires, though a Magen David does). For example, I notice he has harped on one particular misconception (bolding added for emphasis):
Message 290 --
Sludge writes: That paper discusses some of the alleged evolutionary steps involved, but doesn't discuss what caused those steps (which is the crux of my argument). The closest it gets is a wild guess about what may have given rise to the development of a double jaw joint. The paper proposes an evolutionary pathway, not what caused that evolution pathway. In other words, it doesn't demonstrate a knowledge of how evolution works. Message 422 --
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Tangle writes:
I'm not arguing that there is a lack of evidence for evolution - I'm arguing that it's impossible to know what caused it. That's sad for you but science doesn't need what you insist on having to know that the middle ear evolved - we have the fossils to prove it. The article you linked doesn't explain what caused the evolution of the middle-ear ... because no one knows. It looks like he thinks that there's some mysterious unknown force that causes and probably also directs those changes. If that is what he is thinking (to use the term loosely in his case), then he truly is a willfully ignorant and willfully stupid idiot! That is not how evolution works, not even close! As we all know. Trying to answer Sludge's demands to his satisfaction, which requires us to show him that mysterious external force, would be like proving evolution to candle2 by showing him a dog giving birth to kittens. Or explaining how a thermos bottle (which keeps hot things hot and cold things cold) can know which you want it to do. Impossible for us to do because that is not how any of it works. I would suggest that we demand that Sludge tell us what he thinks the Theory of Evolution is and to explain to us how he thinks that it is supposed to work. We could also point him to UC Berkeley's Evolution 101. Especially the Mechanisms: the processes of evolution section.Of course, Sludge, being such a typical creationist, would never dare go near it since he must carefully shield and guard his precious false beliefs through ever vigilant willful ignorance and willful stupidity. But those visitors who are willing to learn may benefit by those links.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
You cannot dispute the facts presented in Message 424. Indeed we have such knowledge of the evolutionary transitions of millions of critters. Again, you're just too stupid to see it. It sure would be nice if he ever presented anything at all supporting ID. All we get is
quote After all these years that the Discovery Institute had multimillion dollar budgets and they failed to produce a single shred of evidence supporting intelligent design in nature, of the Universe, this galaxy, this solar system, this planet, or any of the life on this planet, other than the tinkering humans have done on the genomes of several thousand species.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
vimesey writes:
This hypothesis is as bonkers as that fairy tale about whales evolution. Entertaining though. Another possibility is that a bunch of increasingly desperate churches and religious institutions are pumping millions into his bank account, having finally found a scientist who is willing to sell outKeep up the good work! "Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the evolution of life on earth has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?"
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
No one will ever be able to prove that ToE describes the process that produced the fossil record ... so only an idiot (or a Darwinist) would claim that ToE is "knowledge". Knowledge is made up of facts and theories.Edited by Dredge, .
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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No one will ever be able to prove that ToE describes the process that produced the fossil record Except we already have. You're just too stupid to see it.
only an idiot (or a Darwinist) would claim that ToE is "knowledge". Only a Stupid Fucking Catholic would not.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Dredge writes: No one will ever be able to prove that ToE describes the process that produced the fossil record ... so only an idiot (or a Darwinist) would claim that ToE is "knowledge". There's that word again. Science doesn't prove things. In the entire history of science it has proved nothing. I know playing the idiot is sort of your schtick, but give it a break now and then. Some people are trying to have a serious discussion with you. --Percy
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