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Trae
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Message 1 of 27 (492074)
12-28-2008 1:54 AM


Did they just say that? Anti-post of the Month.

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Many archaeologists have found papers and coding from Merlin, thank you very much. But that is beside the fact that nobody is realizing the scientific part of all of this. The earth, the sun and the milky way aligning with a massive black hole in the center of the milky way. Do you have any idea of how much magnetic force that is going to be sent in to our atmosphere? MILLIONS!!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/board/thread/122961173?d=123969110&p=5#123969110

This post packs such a stunning amount of quasi-information into a single paragraph. I found this thread after watching the teaser trailer for 2012 (a disaster film by Rolan Emmerich, of 10,000 BC and The Day After Tomorrow ilk). 2012 is based on (as much as Emmerich ever really bases a film on anything around) the laughable idea that since the Mayan calendar has a cycle, that when this cycle ends so will the world.

I realize this may get rejected as a thread. Still I think there is some benefit if only as amusement and so I am suggesting in a sort of anti-post of the month thread that will allow us to share with those here some of the more humorous to scary items we find on the Net. I think this could help give us more casual visitors a reason to return more often. As to place, there isn’t really an entertainment section. Anti-posts of the month would be great. It also might work in Is it Science? Still, not sure something like this is worth people commenting on the merits (or lack) of what we’d be sharing.

Edited by Admin, : Change title.


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Message 2 of 27 (492087)
12-28-2008 4:52 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

    
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Message 3 of 27 (492156)
12-28-2008 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trae
12-28-2008 1:54 AM


Its all a matter of definition.
I'm not sure that I see what problem you have with this persons blog post.
The earth, the sun and the milky way aligning with a massive black hole in the center of the milky way.

The earth and the sun DO each align with the black hole at the center of the milky way. As Euclid postulated some years back, any two points determine a straight line.

And:

Do you have any idea of how much magnetic force that is going to be sent in to our atmosphere? MILLIONS!!!

Yes, extraterrestrial bodies do create a magnetic force that extends into our atmosphere and can be measured in the MILLIONS.

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Message 4 of 27 (492158)
12-28-2008 10:15 PM
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12-28-2008 1:54 AM


The earth, the sun and the milky way aligning with a massive black hole in the center of the milky way. Do you have any idea of how much magnetic force that is going to be sent in to our atmosphere? MILLIONS!!!

Yes the earth & sun align with the black hole in the center of the milky way , twice each year to be exact and has been doing this for 4.5 billion years.

very simple.

----->
/
Earth-----Sun-----Earth-------------//------Blackhole

Edited by bluescat48, : picture


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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 5 of 27 (492199)
12-29-2008 7:05 AM
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12-28-2008 10:15 PM


bluescat48 writes:

Yes the earth & sun align with the black hole in the center of the milky way , twice each year to be exact and has been doing this for 4.5 billion years.

very simple.

---->
/
Earth-----Sun-----Earth-------------//------Blackhole

The plane of the Earth's orbit and the galactic plane lie at a 60 degree angle to one another. There is never a time during the year when Sun, Earth and galactic center lie on the same line.

--Percy


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Message 6 of 27 (492204)
12-29-2008 8:08 AM
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12-29-2008 7:05 AM


No not on the same plane but still in conjunction.


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Message 7 of 27 (492207)
12-29-2008 8:37 AM
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12-29-2008 8:08 AM


bluescat48 writes:

No not on the same plane but still in conjunction.

Sure, but while your diagram may be somehow hinting at conjunction, to most people it's going to look like a linear arrangement of Sun/Earth/black-hole. A linear arrangement twice a year would truly be a rare and incredible event, but I see now that that's not what you were saying.

Concerning conjunction, I 'm worried that the credulous are going to miss the irony in your reply and think you're agreeing with the incredible claim about alignment, which was this:

Message 1 writes:

The earth, the sun and the milky way aligning with a massive black hole in the center of the milky way.

The irony that the credulous will miss is that every simple planet/sun combination (one sun, planets in mild elliptical orbits) everywhere in the universe is in conjunction with the Milky Way's black hole twice an orbit.

--Percy


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Message 8 of 27 (492209)
12-29-2008 9:12 AM
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12-29-2008 8:37 AM


The irony that the credulous will miss is that every simple planet/sun combination (one sun, planets in mild elliptical orbits) everywhere in the universe is in conjunction with the Milky Way's black hole twice an orbit.

:confused:

For a conjunction/alignment, you will need the plane of the star/planet orbit to include the Milky Way SMBH. In our case, the SMBH lies in Sagittarius (Sag A*), which is close to the ecliptic, so our solar plane does indeed include the SMBH, and we get twice yearly alignments, and annual Sol SMBH conjunctions.


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Message 9 of 27 (492218)
12-29-2008 10:23 AM
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12-29-2008 9:12 AM


cavediver writes:

For a conjunction/alignment, you will need the plane of the star/planet orbit to include the Milky Way SMBH.

Bluescat clarified that he meant they're in conjunction, but you're saying that they actually *are* in conjunction/alignment.

Not to endorse any of the nonsense, but if the SMBH is indeed in the plane of our ecliptic, then since this should be true of well less than a percent of planetary systems (at 1 degree of resolution) it does seem rather incredible, in the sense of being unlikely, unless there are gravitational effects at work.

--Percy


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Message 10 of 27 (492219)
12-29-2008 10:43 AM
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12-29-2008 10:23 AM


Not to endorse any of the nonsense, but if the SMBH is indeed in the plane of our ecliptic, then since this should be true of well less than a percent of planetary systems

Sag A* lies about 5.5 degrees off the ecliptic, so that's 11 degrees out of 180, or about 1 in 16. So nothing exceptionally remarkable, unless you want to use a 10% confidence interval :)

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Message 11 of 27 (492221)
12-29-2008 10:52 AM
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12-29-2008 10:23 AM


Just to add some perspective, the moon and sun are both about 30 arcminutes across, so the closest conjuction makes Sag A* and the SMBH about 11 solar diameters from the Sun. Not that impressive, especially if you saw the recent Lunar, Jovian, Venusian conjunction, which was simply breath-taking.

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Message 12 of 27 (492342)
12-30-2008 11:58 AM
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12-29-2008 10:52 AM


Look to the heavens... Now!!!
I writes:

Not that impressive, especially if you saw the recent Lunar, Jovian, Venusian conjunction, which was simply breath-taking.

Any UK guys and gals should pop outside now and take a glimpse at Venus and the Moon looking fantastic - not exactly a conjunction, but a beautiful display none-the-less.

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Message 13 of 27 (492346)
12-30-2008 12:50 PM
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12-30-2008 11:58 AM


Re: Look to the heavens... Now!!!
Go take a picture!

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Message 14 of 27 (492361)
12-30-2008 3:14 PM
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12-30-2008 12:50 PM


Re: Look to the heavens... Now!!!
Go take a picture!

Sadly, pictures never do this kind of display any justice. The angular size of the Moon is tiny, compared with the present separation of the Moon and Venus. Pictures simply accentuate this disparity. The great thing about seeing this for real is that we can "simultaneously" appreciate the long shot of the two objects sharing the same area of sky, while zooming in on each object to appreciate it in isolation.

Sorry, this is certainly not wacky enough for this thread...

Err, the human visual system is, err, obvious evidence of design, or something like that... is that ok?


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Message 15 of 27 (492405)
12-30-2008 10:04 PM


A post worthy of inclusion here
    To: js1138; betty boop

    But gravity has no substance. It cannot be directly measured or observed. It can only be detected through its influence on objects within its field.

    If that’s the case, why isn’t that categorized as the supernatural? It is no more detectable than God is and in no other way than God would be.

    706 posted on Tue Dec 30 14:35:47 2008 by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2154313/posts?page=706#706


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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